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Just about ready to do some staining


 Well its been over a month since I poured the slab,, so today I got a floor sander and some black pads and went about cleaning it up,, I got all kinds of dust and residue off the new pad,, but the one that is aready stained,, the pad didn't do much other than dislodge the dirt and scrach the surface a little, it didn't faze the sealer I put on there,  so I guess all  can do to that one is put some more gloss sealer on and hope it shines this time,  I did pressure wash both slabs and got them real clean,,
 The last place I bought ther stain at is a big concrete supply place, and just sells it in 5 gallon cans, the stain and sealer cost $140 last time,, so I need to find somewhere that sells it by the gallon,, so I can buy 3 different colors ,,

I need to pick at your brain a little more C.O before I do this,,  so I know exactly what the process is to get the varigated design,

do I spray the stain [lighter color first,] in spots, then another color in other spots, and kinda brush them together to get the design?? maybe delute them some to get different shades??


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Hi Rat! Sorry 'bout not answering right away. I've been laid up with this ol' back of mine (lotsa meds) and not online at all.
Your original sealer is likely a solvent based one and if you want to take it off completely to restain some areas you can use a stripper. Most are Xylene based and so I use Xylene to wash it off when I need to. If you decide to keep what you've got, apply 2 more coats over it and it should fix any scratches and have a nice shine.
Any acid stain I've used has been dilutable...the "ready to use" ones exist, but I have no experience with them. I always take a small amount and dilute it about 50:50...try it on a small out of the way area and see what I get. If I want a lighter shade of that color, I dilute more and less for darker.
If you're going for that random flagstone pic I showed with multiple colors just use a sponge brush and "paint" your stones as you want them.
If you're going for something more like the pic with the cat in it...it is sprayed. You can use spritz bottles that folks buy for spraying house plants and stuff like that if you like. Anything you use to mix, spray or hold your acid stain should be plastic...never a metal. Just spray your lightest color on and brush it in with a stiff plastic/nylon broom/scrub brush. You should get a full coverage with this one. Then as soon as possible randomly spray your accent color(s). Don't brush this, just let it sit and react where it lands.

For more effect you can mist (thoroughly) the whole thing about a half hour after all the color is down. Another trick is to cover it with plastic sheeting immediatly after the color goes on. You walk all over the plastic and kind of twist your feet in...it makes some cool lines and effects.
Give it about 4 hours of reaction time and then neutralize with ammonia and water mixed...scrub that in...let it sit about 15 minutes and then wash it like crazy. Get all of the residue off.
You can reapply after this, or do touch ups in specific areas...this only needs 45 min to an hour of reaction time and then neutralize again.
You can mimic cut lines by using tape if you want to as well. Hope this helps ya...which look were you going for? Ask if I missed something and sorry again about not responding sooner.
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  Thanks for the info C.O.,, I went and bought the stain wed,, I was planning on using the same color as the other slab right next to the new one, which is Mahogany. and it has yellowish highlights, but after I got to tha stain place, and looked at the chart again,,  I thought ,, what the hell, I'm gonna try something different, so I bought antique brown and a jade color, came home and played around with the 2 colors in a out of the way spot,, and it just didn't look right, with the different colors right next to each other,, so today I took them back and got the Mahogany and turquoise, but its raining like a cow peeing on a flat rock right now,,, so I won't be able to do anything till it stops,, suppose to rain all next week too,,furious

 I squirted a little green on the old slab and it kinda colored it some, looks pretty good , I did something wrong when I sealed the old slab,, cause it sure as heck ain't sealed, cause the stain worked,, I got the high gloss sealer with 30% whatever? heavy bodied stuff, says it takes only one coat,, 

I thought maybe something was going on with ya since you hadn't been online for a couple of days,, Take care of your self man.. you are too damn young to be in bad shape like that,, the meds help, I know,,, and sometime they are a must to get through the day,, I never liked to take any kind of medication,, and always tried to get through it with out them,, but its really tough sometimes,, I don't even like to take aspirin,, but I do have to take Blood pressure pills [1 a day] but my B/P is in pretty good shape now,, stayin busy doing something keeps me feeling pretty good,, most of the time anyway,, wink

I'm kinda anxious to get going on the concretewink 
is it getting cold up there yet?
 

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Yep if it's gonna rain don't stain...that one is a no brainer. aww That's really something that the stain took where you expected sealer to be. 30% solids is a heavy sealer, I have used it but prefer the 20%. 30% will tend to be more slippery and is a little tougher to apply. I would use a quality roller sleeve that will stand up to the solvent and has about a 3/8" nap (lint free). You still may want to go with 2 coats, I would, but that's up to you. If you decide to use 2 roll them perpendicular to each other to avoid lap marks 'cause 30% tends to show those more. In your 2nd coat (or 1st if you don't do a 2nd) I would definately use a traction additive. 30% will be slippery when wet.

I rarely went to my doctor before this injury and hated takin' meds. I've been on all sorts of junk since, though. Morphine and dillaudid (sp) since March '07...no fun. I'll hafta go to rehab if I can ever get off this crap. furious
It's definately gettin' cooler here...truly fall I guess. There has been a couple of nights with light frost. Today is nice...no jacket needed (and I'm a wimp for cold).

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  Thanks CO,, I will do 2 coats if I have enough product,, its $110 for 5 gal. and the patio is 21 X 38 or almost 800 sq ft, so it will probably take another 5 gal,  for traction ,, what do you  suggest? something like real fine silica sand or something?  I have maybe a gallon of the other sealer I used before, but thats still not enough,,

 I hate doctors too,,, I slipped a disc in my back in the early 70's. and went to a chiropractor, a great big dude that once played pro football, he could probably whip King Kongs butt,, as soon as I got in the door he started telling me that I had a slipped disc,, and took X rays,, but started twisting and cracking my back before he ever looked at the X-rays,, when he got through with me I had to crawl to my car,, finally I went to a orthopedic dr,, and he took ex rays , but wanted me to get the ones the bone cracker took,, when he compared the 2 sets, it showed that when I went in , I just had a slipped disc,, but  the orthopedic dr's showed a herniated disc, the bone cracker caused that, by twisting everything around
 I had my choice of either having surgery to fuse the discs back or try living with the pain,, I chose the pain,, I was in the hosp, for 7 weeks,, with nothing but a great big fat moose of a nurse to help me,, for some reason she really liked giving me sponge bathsfuriouscry nothing I could do,, but lay there,

I'm glad I didn't choose surgery,, cause I have learned to live with the bad back,, and have just adjusted to it,, I gotta be careful how fast I bend over, [ just to pick up something,,,, nothing else]smile I can't stand in one spot for long of my back starts aching

 I hope ya get to feeling better,, being immobile for very long would drive me nuts,, even more so than I already am,,weirdfaceThanks again for the infro,,, I'll take some pictures when I get going,,,

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Hey Rat, is there a Sherwin Williams store anywhere near you? If there is, they have a traction product called Shark Grip that's fantastic. It's the one I use. It stays suspended in the sealer for even distribution and is invisible when the job is done. Some guys do us the silica, but it doesn't apply evenly (easily) and isn't invisible. This is only what I've heard, 'cause I haven't used it. Shark Grip is the only one I've used...got lucky the first time. aww Sherwin Williams will ship if they aren't near ya...if it wasn't for that annoying border thing I'd send ya a jar of it.

I told ya about how my back got hurt...with the dog...the actual injury is 3 herniated discs, a vertebrae outta place and some sponge thing we're supposed to have on our arse bone is gone. I had the surgery and it made it worse...can't walk sometimes. I got lucky again, I guess, 'cause the chiropractor is one of the things that keeps me goin'. She's a cute little thing and actually got me walkin'. Oh well, enough of my woes.

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hahaha,it seems that we all are wore out or banged up somehow.we have the start of an old pharts club goin here.im like bad rat,no bone breakers for me either.i went once.it took me a month to get over it.then i went to a specialist.she told me not to ever let a chiropractor touch me again.with my spine it could do some real damage.my vertabre break real easy.i have fractured 8 of them just working the last few years.my dr. told me i was done with building,she mite be rite.its hard to quit something you love to do.its even harder to find a good place to stop.yes come on,it is hard to admt that you are done.i hate it.im thinking that its time to find something else to do.aint life interesting.

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I told ya about how my back got hurt...with the dog...the actual injury is 3 herniated discs, a vertebrae outta place and some sponge thing we're supposed to have on our arse bone is gone. I had the surgery and it made it worse...can't walk sometimes. I got lucky again, I guess, 'cause the chiropractor is one of the things that keeps me goin'. She's a cute little thing and actually got me walkin'. Oh well, enough of my woes.



  Damn!!!!  3 herniated discs???  I just had 1,, My condolences for surecry 

sometines that surgery works  and sometimes it don't ,, I just didn't like the idea of getting cut on, and glad i didn't ,  that cartilage on the tail bone is suppose to prevent those" pain in the ass " feelings,, a bruised tailbone hurts like hell,,

Maybe if I had gone to a cute little bone cracker,, instead of that gorilla, I probably would have stuck with the treatment too,,, no matter how much it hurt of cost,,biggrinbiggrin



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Dammit Geezer! Breakin' vertebrae? doh Nasty. bleh They tell me that nerve damage was done and that's why I've got such prolonged, severe pain...may or may not be permanent. hmm It's definately a lifestyle change.

Is it still rainin' Rat?

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we sound like a batch of old nurseing home rejects.hahaha.dangit i hope you can get off those dang drugs someday soon.i tried em.i couldnt think rite,remember,didnt really know what was goin on.i hate those dang things.but sometimes i wish i still had a few.good luck with it.the main problem i think is,we get to feelin good sometimes and forget to take it easy.just wait on some help or ask for it.were gona have to change the way we do things.like it or not.dangit

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Dammit Geezer! Breakin' vertebrae? doh Nasty. bleh They tell me that nerve damage was done and that's why I've got such prolonged, severe pain...may or may not be permanent. hmm It's definately a lifestyle change.

Is it still rainin' Rat?



  Yep!! off and on,, ti usually rains this day every year,, today was the day for my favorite swap meet, and of course it was raining,, so I didn't go,,
We are headed to Bakersfield  Calif,, on Wed,[ so I might not get any stainin done till I get back] to go to the Nostalgia drags, coming up next W/E called the Cacklefest  all the old front engined rails and Gassers,  I hope to meet up with DINGER from hotrodders .com,, I hooked up with him last year,, quite a character, and the races got rained out,,,
Geezer and Mello probably know the namebiggrin



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 Well my buddy "Coop" and I got the slab stained yesterday, he sprayed the green and I handled the maghogny,   pretty sad looking job, considering it hasn't been neutralized yet,, the green is white and the mahogany is turd muckley- dun brown,, hope that changes once its neutralized,  I did scrub a spot to see what it looked like and it looked pretty good, [I think]
Its threatening rain out there now,, and pretty cold,, so i think I will go get some ammonia and get it neutralized before the rains get started,,
I went through 3 gallons of stain at 45$ a gallon, which stated each gallon would cover 200-300 sq ft per gallon. the whole slab isn't but 340 sq ft,, it might be a weaker stain than the first stuff I used, but I got it at the same place,, not sure its the same brand,,
I also found some of that sharkgrip power,, looks and feels just like the stuff I add to fiberglass resin to thicken it up, at 1/4 the price,,biggrin 

I'll get some pictures ,,aww

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That seems like an odd reaction from your stain. weirdfaceNot sure what's goin' on with that...it will be interesting to see what it finishes like. Acid staining definately goes through an ugly stage before it's all done. The Shark Grip is cheaper?

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That seems like an odd reaction from your stain. weirdfaceNot sure what's goin' on with that...it will be interesting to see what it finishes like. Acid staining definately goes through an ugly stage before it's all done. The Shark Grip is cheaper?



   On the shark grip thing,, I paid $16.00 for a pint jar,, and the stuff I get to thicken fiberglass resin is about 6$,, not sure it is the same stuff,, but it looks ,feels, and tastes the same, not sure of the taste, I didn't try that testbiggrin


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I need to look into that. We buy a lot of Shark Grip...I don't pay that much for it, though. That's fairly high.

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I need to look into that. We buy a lot of Shark Grip...I don't pay that much for it, though. That's fairly high.



 I get my fiberglass supplys from Tap plastics,,  I'm not sure it's the same stuff. but probably would work,, idea  check out the mess I made above,, hope it works out,, I'm gonna nutrilize it in a little while,, its colder than a well diggers ass out there...cry


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That doesn't look like a mess to me Rat. Acid staining is definately a process and has an ugly stage. When you neutralize be sure to scrub all of the residue off until the run off is clear. The way that it will look wet is pretty much how it will look sealed, so if ya wanna do touch ups keep that in mind. I think it's gonna look good...waaaay better than "nekkid 'crete".
I'm gonna ask my rep about that other stuff...he'll tell me if they're interchangable.

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  I went out and found some of the stuff I use and it states right on the container ,, that it is 100% polyproplene. the very same stuff as the shark grip,

 I went and got some ammonia, so I'm gonna do some scrubbin , and see what come out of the backwashbiggrin

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Dammit! weirdfaceTake that Shark Grip back then! I checked my invoices and you're payin' double what I pay for the Shark Grip. That's frickin' odd 'cause usually we pay so much more for things here in the Great White North. aww Maybe there was some sorta error at the store?

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  I guess most of it was my error,, it was 13.20,, but maybe thats still too high,  the place I got it was a concrete supply , where I got the concrete, but I'm not a contractor, and don't buy that much stuff there , so I can expect to pay more,,I guess furious gotta pay those dudes for settin behind that counter, and scraching their,,    errr --ahhha -- aaa ,,,,well what ever those kids scrach these daysyawn

this is after I did some scrubbin,, I still need to put some more elbo grease into it,, but I ran out of ammonia,  thats way tooo much like work,
What ya think about the look?  I will do probably buy another gallon of the dark, and darken up the green spots some,, whatta ya think?

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I'm really likin' it Rat...looks good to me. As far as touch ups go, you can see it better than we can and it also has to suit your taste. Check out these pics...yours isn't very different is it? Consider these ones have sealer on 'em.

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Looks like a Liver Scan that I had back in the 70's - - LOL

OK OK OK OK - - just yanking yer leg a tad biggrin

Are you planning on putting a sealer on yours B.R.???

Seriously, I like it a lot. thumbsup.gif

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I'm really likin' it Rat...looks good to me. As far as touch ups go, you can see it better than we can and it also has to suit your taste. Check out these pics...yours isn't very different is it? Consider these ones have sealer on 'em.



  Its alot like the picture on the right,, I was just thinkin, there was too much green right through the middle,, but I can blame my buddy Cooper for that,, he squirted the green,, ruined a new pair of shoes in the process,, furious I went and bought him another pair exactly like the ones WE ruined.. so his mom wouldn't knowwink,  he told me as soon as he got the stain on them that his mom was gonna be "pissed.",, [he's been listening to his dad and papa too much] I couldn't keep from crackin up, I know 5 y/o kids ain't suspose to talk like that believe me, and I got on him about it, but it was just funny the way he said it,,,,and the look on his face when he said it,, I guess the ruined shoes are another addition to our secret list of things that happens ,, do all Grandpa's do this??idea  add the shoes to the expense account..wink



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Looks like a Liver Scan that I had back in the 70's - - LOL

OK OK OK OK - - just yanking yer leg a tad biggrin

Are you planning on putting a sealer on yours B.R.???

Seriously, I like it a lot. thumbsup.gif

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 YEP!!!  got the shinest stuff I could find,, thats what C.O and I was discussing about he sharkgrip stuff,, it gives the finish some grip,, so us old farts don't bust our azzes when its wet,, turns out shark grip is the same stuff used to thicken Fiberglass resin,, [polypropline] way cheaper at tap plastics



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Liver scans? lmao.gif That's too much!! laughing.gif

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  I guess about the only way to deal with the water wanting to run back towards the house, is to build a cover over the whole slab and run a gutter to the existing rain gutter drains on the side of the shop, just havn't figured out how to build it yet and make it look decent along side the Pergola, that I built over the other part,,,  I'll take a few pictures and maybe you guys can jump in and steer me in the right direction,,  but its dark out there now,, gotta wait till mananna'wink

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   I still have to do something about the water running back towards the house,, and I think the only way to take care of the problem would be to cover the slab completely and run a gutter drain to the drain that takes care of the water off the shop roof,, trouble i building one that would look decent with the pergoda that I already have there,, it would have to slope off of the house and extend all the way out to the edge of the slab [see pictures,, the shop is to the right ,, see the gutter running down the corner of the shop? that goes under ground and drains in to the street on the other side,,of the shop]
  I just want it to look like it was kinda planned,, and not just a leantoo arrangement..  Any ideas guys and girls????smileideaideaideaconfused

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So that grade issue is still hauntin' ya? What are ya tryin' to avoid?...water build up?

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 Yeah,,, the water still collects there, directly in front of the crawl hole,, and with enough rain,, it collects enough that it runs toward the other slab,, not enough to overflow the raised platform  but it heads for the  area where the door is,, and won't run off,,
 I have been squegging the water off after a rain,, It rains hard here, and I need to get the water into a drain , and away from the house,,  the raised platform did the trick as far as keeping from running under the house there but it will definately be a problem if I don't build a cover over it,, with a gutterfurious  I kinda wanted to cover that area anyway,, there is a rain gutter drain at the corner of the shop that it could dump into,, no problem there, Its just the design of the roof that has me stumped,, I can use the same basic design as the other with the big posts and such,, but the roof has to have a continous slope, and not like the 4 way slope of the other one, Maybe tear that one down and build one GREAT BIG ONEideacry

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You do have a problem don'tcha?

If I may ask a couple of questions please!

First: Do the gutters and down spouts that you have on the house and shop pretty much handle "MOST ALL" of the water that drains from the house and shop roofs?  If they do then the fix won't be that hard but if they don't then it's another story.

Secondly: Is the roof on the gazebo an open slanted roof or is it solid?  I couldn't tell from the pic.


Humor: first thing I thought of was those funny "Trunk Monkey" commercials that they have and I wondered if they had a "Patio Monkey" that you would keep in the stainless kitchen and when it started raining he would climb out with squeegie in hand - - - LOL


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Well, if ya want a roof over the whole thing anyway, the "one great big one" is probably the easiest and best solution. If ya didn't want a roof over it all I was gonna suggest cutting a trough into the slab...like a floor drain in a shop. It wouldn't have to be very big, probably about the size of your roof gutters. It would be a snotty job to do, though.

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You do have a problem don'tcha?

If I may ask a couple of questions please!

First: Do the gutters and down spouts that you have on the house and shop pretty much handle "MOST ALL" of the water that drains from the house and shop roofs?  If they do then the fix won't be that hard but if they don't then it's another story.

Secondly: Is the roof on the gazebo an open slanted roof or is it solid?  I couldn't tell from the pic.


Humor: first thing I thought of was those funny "Trunk Monkey" commercials that they have and I wondered if they had a "Patio Monkey" that you would keep in the stainless kitchen and when it started raining he would climb out with squeegie in hand - - - LOL



  Yeah,, I just had a new roof put on last year, new gutters, Etc,, the roof drainage is good, it has 4 separate 4" drains that run to the street, the one I would tie into, carrys the least volume of water,,
I think the best solution might be to tie into the Gazebo [my wife calls it a purgala ? so thats what I call it to keep her from constantly correcting mefurious]
 I could dismantle the roof rafters where it would tie together and continue it over the other pad,, its all put together with screws,,
It is open to e elements, just has lattice for a covering that provides a little shade,, I plan on doing the same with the other roof, but use the smoked corrigated plastic above the lattice..[ $$$$$$$$$, that crap is spendy] 

I would like to find one of those trunk monkeys right now,, The idiot monkey that I hired to pour the concrete would be the his first project,,

C/O   I kinda thought about cutting the trough drain, but didn't want to o to that extreme.. might just have too,,, or just cut some grooves in it to carry the water to the drain,,

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?Ramblling? - ?Mad? - - - only because you're putting me in second place and you know what they say about second place - - -"YUK"

Since the draining of your existing roofs (rooves?) are being taken care of

sufficiently by your existing gutters and drains then all you need to make sure of is that you accomplish the same thing with the new roof. idea

What I picture is an extension of the "Purgala" (I learn quicker than you do) biggrin that is similar to an elongated (rectangular in shape) gabled roof with hips on each end - - - one of the hip ends being the end closest to the house that is next to the shop. (comprende?) - - - ANNNNNNDDDD - then gutters and down spouts properly placed around the entire edge of the "new" roof to accomodate the water that will be draining from the new roof.

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For whatever it's worth...part of what I do is design and Mello's description is exactly what I was gonna suggest.worship.gif It would look as natural as if it grew there I think...which is what ya want.
The trough option would work also, if ya didn't want a roof over that area. Traction grooves are a good thought too (good one Rat) if ya wanted to avoid the roof. I have a saw that's designed for decorative cutting only...I have set it as deep as it goes and cut lines in a tile pattern for that purpose. It works. My saw can make a 3/8" X 3/8" groove and that was sufficient.
See now, that's why I gotta hang around here...you fellers are so smart I'm hopin' some of it seeps into me. biggrin

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?Ramblling? - ?Mad? - - - only because you're putting me in second place and you know what they say about second place - - -"YUK"

Since the draining of your existing roofs (rooves?) are being taken care of

sufficiently by your existing gutters and drains then all you need to make sure of is that you accomplish the same thing with the new roof. idea

What I picture is an extension of the "Purgala" (I learn quicker than you do) biggrin that is similar to an elongated (rectangular in shape) gabled roof with hips on each end - - - one of the hip ends being the end closest to the house that is next to the shop. (comprende?) - - - ANNNNNNDDDD - then gutters and down spouts properly placed around the entire edge of the "new" roof to accomodate the water that will be draining from the new roof. but a lean too type,,,bleh

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  You quittin on me in the middle of a big project?? you just lost ALL your seniorty,,, biggrincry

You're idea on the gutters was what I was thinkin too,, the design was more of a concern tho,,I didn't want just a lean too type roof,,,,, I think a duplicate of the existing one but not tied into each other would be the easiest way,, like you said ,, I planned on putting a fireplace at the edge of the existing one so that would be a good fill in,,,,
I was origionally planning on putting up a partial roof over the kitchen,, but a full cover sounds more to my liking..

when do you guys think you can get here??  I'll hold off gettin started if you plan on being here soonbiggrinbiggrin

Seriously guys<<< Thanks for the input,, now I can tell my wife, that the design team has signed off and its a go,,,,,idea but I'll have to tell her I liked HER idea best,,, she suggested doing the full roof,, smile

this might give you a better idea of the existing roof , it is 12Ft X14FT, with a hip on 4 sides,, the new slab is 17 X 20.6 and the old one is 21 X 20.6


  MELLO,,,,,, You'll always be numbro uno with me compradr'e  winkbiggrin


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Musta not done a very good job of describing my iddie - - - so I'm gonna draw a pic and I post it in a little while idea

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Dammit Rat...move the project site to somewhere with palm trees and I'm in!! biggrin 

Hey Mello...are you gonna sketch/draw on paper and scan it or do you use a program? I'm askin' 'cause I like to draw but my scanner has terrorist tendancies. It is not user friendly. I scan something...it tells me that it's done...but I can't find it anywhere. Could be Gremlins I suppose.  confused.gif  imslow.gif

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Dammit Rat...move the project site to somewhere with palm trees and I'm in!! biggrin 

Hey Mello...are you gonna sketch/draw on paper and scan it or do you use a program? I'm askin' 'cause I like to draw but my scanner has terrorist tendancies. It is not user friendly. I scan something...it tells me that it's done...but I can't find it anywhere. Could be Gremlins I suppose.  confused.gif  imslow.gif



Well, after Y'all quit laughing - - - biggrinbiggrinbiggrin - - this is the best I could come up with - - - sure hope B.R. has some imagination - - LOL  Better than that just let the Wiff look at it.  There is NO LEAN-TOO here - - it is a roof with a ridge row and eves - - - maybe Come On can help.  My old eyes and hands won't do much better than this.




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  That's what I thought you were talking about,, thats why I mentioned the fireplace, But your design would work great also,,except I would have to take off part of the existing rafters where the new one would tie in,,, I just did some measuring, and a basicly same size pergala? Gazebo? would fit perfectly. [2 separate structures] with the overhanging rafters from both structures in between the 2 would work fine for the chimney to go through, [36" between the top plates ]the gutters would be back at the edge of the lattace, and corragated plastic roofing, I don't care about water getting over on the old slab,,
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  That's what I thought you were talking about,, thats why I mentioned the fireplace, But your design would work great also,,except I would have to take off part of the existing rafters where the new one would tie in,,, I just did some measuring, and a basicly same size pergala? Gazebo? would fit perfectly. [2 separate structures] with the overhanging rafters from both structures in between the 2 would work fine for the chimney to go through, [36" between the top plates ]the gutters would be back at the edge of the lattace, and corragated plastic roofing, I don't care about water getting over on the old slab,,
I'll try drawing up something, and see if MY scanner still works,, ashamedsmile



Ah Ha, now I see what you're talking about and the two separate structures sounds like a winner if you don't mind the water getting on the old slab and if you gutter the new one - - - - ROCK ON, BRO headbang.gif 

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I completely see what yer goin' fer Mello. It's exactly what I thought you meant and was my thought also.
I understand what you're sayin' too Rat. It would be easier to go this route I think, but I honestly believe that the single structure would look better in the end. Hmmmm...but then when ya consider the fireplace, the double structure may look better. All of these options!! w00t.gif 

Here's a question...what sorta fireplace? One of those rigs that you can see from all angles? That would be cool.

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The fireplace is just another excuse to burn wood and meat (weenie roast) - - - however, he may be offering up sacrifices so we'd better stay put until we're sure flame.gif

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I completely see what yer goin' fer Mello. It's exactly what I thought you meant and was my thought also.
I understand what you're sayin' too Rat. It would be easier to go this route I think, but I honestly believe that the single structure would look better in the end. Hmmmm...but then when ya consider the fireplace, the double structure may look better. All of these options!! w00t.gif 

Here's a question...what sorta fireplace? One of those rigs that you can see from all angles? That would be cool.



   Yep!! you are right,,  a wood burning stove that is open to both sides, with a hearth all the way around, about 6' X 3',,with a flagstone covering that goes all the way up,, kinda a centerpiece for the whole shebangsmile   the kitchen has a stone facing,,  also



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Oh yeeeeaaahh!! headbang.gif That "rocks"!! biggrin That would look fan-frickin'-tastic...could be voted as the swanky location we've been lookin' fer ta have our big barbeque. hungry.gif  relax.gif  beer.gif biggrin

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Oh yeeeeaaahh!! headbang.gif That "rocks"!! biggrin That would look fan-frickin'-tastic...could be voted as the swanky location we've been lookin' fer ta have our big barbeque. hungry.gif  relax.gif  beer.gif biggrin



 Sounds like a winning idea to me,, I'll make sure you have the Palm trees and a sun lamp, might even truck in a load of beach sand,,, biggrin I'll even furnish all the grub,,,,,,,

After a 1 sided conversation with the boss last night,, I think the one structure will probably win out for the patio,, I can reuse the pieces I remove to tie the whole thing together on the new end,, I'm thinking it will work out much better and look better too,, OH the power of persuasionsmile



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Now yer talking - - - she's right ya know - - biggrin

You planning a fireplace chimney vent in the middle at the ridge row or off to the side somewhere?

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Yeah, ya still gotta have the fireplace! flame.gif Fire! Aaaarrrr-aaaarrrrr-aaarrrr!!! biggrin The one roof way will look more planned ad will do a better job of water control. The fireplace could go to a wall now and ya wouldn't need one of the visible from every angle ones.

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  Well it was pretty nice here today,, so I put the sealer on the slab,,  looks pretty good,, I'm debating on whether to do another coat,, if zI go with another coat,, I will have to buy another 5 gallons to redo the other slab,, at 108 $,,, furious 

as for the fire place.. thats still up in the air right now,, I am gonna put one in ,, just don't know exactly where yet,confusedideaideaideaidea

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 Just wanted to show you guys what the stain looked like after I sealed it and it started raining,,  CO   that shark grip stuff really works great,, pretty abrasive too,, my squeggy was kinda bowed in the middle, and wouldn't lay flat,, but after squeggying off the slab,, it fits nice and flat now, works like it should,, I like the texture it leaves,,  good product,, even if it is kinda spendy,,,biggrin

 here is a kinda idea of the type of fireplace I am looking for

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Looks good Rat! Are you satisfied? How 'bout the Commander In Chief? biggrin Those fireplaces are very nice...you gonna use natural stone and build one? Here's a thought...you could build it outta cheaper material, maybe cinder block or even a steel insert, and do the face with a stone veneer that matches your barbeque island. hmm Just a thought.

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