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Looking good, Rat, and that fireplace reminds me of some John Denver songs.  Too many to mention !

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Looks good Rat! Are you satisfied? How 'bout the Commander In Chief? biggrin Those fireplaces are very nice...you gonna use natural stone and build one? Here's a thought...you could build it outta cheaper material, maybe cinder block or even a steel insert, and do the face with a stone veneer that matches your barbeque island. hmm Just a thought.



  I will make a steel firebox,, and line it with fire brick,, then build the out side with cinderblocks, and then the stone on the out side,  "WE" [ meaning the boss] have decided to build it on the side where the short wall is,[where the trailer is parked] and build a block wall all along that driveway,, to kinda make it more private and block out that driveway,, plus   the wind always blows from that way, make it more enclosed I guess,,  water also runs off tht driveway some,, so I could devert the water into the drain with the wall,



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"Friends 'round the campfire and everybody's high." biggrin

I know you are glad to have that part of the process done, Rat. Now, on to phase two! lol I'm taking notes on all this since I'm going to have to do something with the old slab behind our house sooner or later. Sigh. The run off from the old tin roof of my shop hits the slab so I've been fighting rust stains on the concrete for years. It's funny but after seeing the colors of your stain I thought it looks kind of similar to the rust stains. Maybe I can cheat, let the rust stain build up, throw a little green stain on top of it, and seal the whole thing.idea That should cut down on material costs, huh? biggrin

I think the stone veneer is a good idea. Much cheaper and easier to do than real stone and no one will ever know but us. wink

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I will make a steel firebox,, and line it with fire brick,, then build the out side with cinderblocks, and then the stone on the out side,  "WE" [ meaning the boss] have decided to build it on the side where the short wall is,[where the trailer is parked] and build a block wall all along that driveway,, to kinda make it more private and block out that driveway,, plus   the wind always blows from that way, make it more enclosed I guess,,  water also runs off tht driveway some,, so I could devert the water into the drain with the wall,

"there's a fire softly burning, supper's on the stove, hey, it's good to be back home again"

The "EX" and I had what they call an "Earth Stove" that was heavy gauge steel that was lined with fire brick.  It had three different doors, one that was just a screen, one that was glass for ambience and a heavy steel insulated door that you could lock down and set the damper at night and put the ceiling fans on reverse and it kept the whole house warm - - - very efficient also.

Anyway you could divert all that water y'all get and create a waterfall and water garden???biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin

P.S. Peg, it sounds like you've got some Red Green in your creative genes. biggrin  Beside, you don't need no stinking green stain just create some algae and your home free weirdfaceweirdfaceweirdfacebiggrin




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  Years ago we heated with wood exclusively, but the PITA of getting up every morning to a cold house and having to build a fire, compaired to the savings, just didn't add up.. [The real problem was getting her up to build the firesmile]

The stove in the den gave way to the big screen TV, and the fireplace insert in the L/R is a convection type stove,, its a double walled stove that takes in air from the bottom and circulates it around the void between the walls and it comes out the top as HOT air,  works really good, it is also brick lined, so I think that will probably be the fire place insert I use, another good idea from the boss [ actually it was my idea.. I just never mentioned it to her,,]crycry
 We havn't had a fire in it since the cat fell down into the chimney, and I had to pull it out of the fireplace to get the damn cat out, [ The normally white cat turned Black with smut attacked me for freeing his ass, and left a black trail to the front door and hasn't been seen since]
  PEG,, that rust is probably a permanent color on that concrete,  the green could be a good addition, My 5y/o grand son is responsablefor the green , and I did the red, notice his is a better pattern?  PATTERN???? is there one there?

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Mello...you should be concerned buddy...our minds are workin' very much alike on this project. aww I went straight into the water feature idea too after readin' about the water diversion. It's an easy thing to do too and look great...if you can get the volume of water just right the sound would be incredible. I have one designed for our place that is also a water diverter and it's planned so that the fire will reflect in the water. It's mostly on paper still...we have some of it built, but my back brought that project to a whoa for now...it will be built.

I'm attachin' a couple of pics of a job we did. It's a carved vertical overlay on an eroded block wall. We precast the cap stones at the shop. There's a before and an after pic. A lot can be done with walls too is my point.

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  Thats a nice job,, C.O. is that a solid concrete wall,, ? it looks kinda like a block wall with the lines [ before ] and I really like the after design,,

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  By Overlay,, do you mean like a plaster.? ande the caps,, with the rough cut edge design,, do you have a mold for those?
I really like that design and the wrought iron fence really adds to the effect

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I do have an edge form that I used for those capstones. The overlay is comparable to a parge, only it's a special mix that can be stamped, sculpted and carved. It can also be applied up to 2" per lift. I really enjoy doin' those projects. People have watched me doing it and ask where I got the stones...heh,heh...there's not a stone it it! Nice little ego boost I guess. biggrin
The homeowner actually did the iron work...great job that finishes the project well.

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I do have an edge form that I used for those capstones. The overlay is comparable to a parge, only it's a special mix that can be stamped, sculpted and carved. It can also be applied up to 2" per lift. I really enjoy doin' those projects. People have watched me doing it and ask where I got the stones...heh,heh...there's not a stone it it! Nice little ego boost I guess. biggrin
The homeowner actually did the iron work...great job that finishes the project well.




OK, here comes the dumb questions - - - what is a parge?  do you put the mix on with a trowel and then sculpt it?  tell me more oh great one biggrinbiggrin



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"Great One"? Ooooh brother! That's just wrong for so many reasons. First of all, I'm Canadian...Wayne Gretzky is the "Great One". biggrin

A parge coat is a mortar type of batch that's trowelled onto exterior foundation walls. Not many "basements" in Texas is there? That's not a smart-arse question, I'm serious...doesn't Texas use a lot of pier and crawl space type of foundations? Typically, a parge isn't more than 3/8" thick and is an old school way to cover up a messy lookin' wall and they used to think that it repaired leaks. It never repaired leaks...more of a bandaid.

If ya don't wanna go the route of stampin'/sculptin'/carvin' yer block wall a parge will smooth it out and can be stained or integrally colored. Makes for a nice tie in with the patio. If ya do wanna go that route, I trowel it on...let it set up a little bit and then work on the pattern.

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Gotcha - - it looks real nice thumbsup.gif

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OK...got me. aww Thanx, the customer was happy with the job.

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  I'm thinking the term "Parge coat" is a Canadian term for  Plaster, or Stucco, coat,, Both are troweled on,, confusedsmile

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OK...got me. aww Thanx, the customer was happy with the job.



LMAO - - - Gotcha, also means "I understand"  down here in Tejas biggrin



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Gotcha! It means that here too, only I thought you meant you were pulling my chain with the "Great One" stuff. biggrin

Plaster is an interior material here and stucco is very similar to parge but a different material. Stucco would certainly do the job as far as smoothing the block wall goes, but I'm not sure it's carveable. Rat, if you're thinkin' about doin' that block wall with a smooth coat and some color to tie in with your patio if would look fan-frickin'-tastic in my opinion...and would be a heckuva lot cheaper than the stone veneer.

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  C.O you are reading my Pea-brain,, The faux stones on the  kitchen are cast. so I am thinking the only way to really match them and have it look right would be to make a mold , and cast my own stone, getting the color correct would be the trick,,
 I have alot of experience with Fiberglass, and molds, I think the panels on the kitchen could be removed easy enough,, I am pretty sure that they are NOT individual bricks, but panels,,
Whatta ya think, use light weight concrete?  or regular concrete?ideaconfusedweirdface

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Cooool! toocool.gif I would go with the lightweight stuff...are you sayin' that you'll make the panels to put on yer wall or that they will be yer wall? Sherwinn Williams can color match any color with stain. That place is gonna rock man! headbang.gif



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Cooool! toocool.gif I would go with the lightweight stuff...are you sayin' that you'll make the panels to put on yer wall or that they will be yer wall? Sherwinn Williams can color match any color with stain. That place is gonna rock man! headbang.gif



 The panels are precast, then the lines are colored in , the biggest panel is about 3' X 4'   then cut to fit wherever,
I could remove the largest panel,  make a F/G mold. then pour the L/W concrete. and spray the coloring on and stuff,,the blocks are a couple of different colors to look natural i guess, so the color would have to be sprayed and detailed with a air brush,,,,, piece -a-cake
 The blocks look like they are basicly the same color of tan,, then high lighted with some dark grey or black,,

To answer your question,, I think build the fireplace and wall out of cender blocks then glue the panels on..confused



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You've got the plan Rat!! worship.gif Yessir. Yer gonna have all the neigbors wantin' ya to fix up their backyards. That's gonna be real nice.

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  Well the monsoons have started, and I knew the patio was gonna flood,, so I went to harbor freight and spent 30.00 bucks on a pump to keep up with the water that accumulates on the slab,, it pumps 28 gal. a minute, I run a hose from the pump over to the rain gutter, drilled a hole big enough for the hose to fit tightly into the drain, and shazamm it worked great,, finding the lowest spot is the hardest part,, it kinda pools in several spots,,
its raining pretty hard right now,, so I just left the pump running , it sucks it out faster than it fills up,, so I have to keep a eye on it,, hopefully the pump won't burn up if it isn't pumpin water,,cry

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If it ain't one thing it's another, huh?

Good luck with the pump - - - let us know how you come out.

You can keep those "man-soonies" up there if you don't mind.

I don't need any rain until I get my stump project finished.biggrin

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Sonofaangered.gif That whole thing is sloped exactly wrong isn't it? hmm What a pain! An overlay would fix it, but who wants that extra expense after just placing the slab...and now it's all prettied up....and if something goes wrong with the overlay it's really ugly. Is the fella who placed that for ya still around? Tell him he has to come over every time it rains and vac up the water. evileye I've lost money on projects to fix things. I'm not gonna lie and say that we do everything perfect every time...stuff happens, but ya gotta fix it. I'd never sleep if I left a slab sloped into a customer's home...couldn't do it. Of course, there have been a coupla customers who realized that I was gonna fix things and try to take advantage of that. evileye

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Sonofaangered.gif That whole thing is sloped exactly wrong isn't it? hmm What a pain! An overlay would fix it, but who wants that extra expense after just placing the slab...and now it's all prettied up....and if something goes wrong with the overlay it's really ugly. Is the fella who placed that for ya still around? Tell him he has to come over every time it rains and vac up the water. evileye I've lost money on projects to fix things. I'm not gonna lie and say that we do everything perfect every time...stuff happens, but ya gotta fix it. I'd never sleep if I left a slab sloped into a customer's home...couldn't do it. Of course, there have been a coupla customers who realized that I was gonna fix things and try to take advantage of that. evileye



 yeah,, its a real PITA,, It rains alot and HARD, here   ,, The pump does a good job, I left it running last night, and it shut off when the water level got down ,   I checked it early this morning and it was off, with no water,  I unplugged it, and then it started running again when I plugged it back in,, so I guess it doesn't need constant attention,, smile
 The jerk that poured the slab hasn't called or showed his face .. I got on his Butt pretty hard,, [ I don't have much tolerance for idiots,, especally after I laid it out for him 3 times And he still screwed it up'
he still has some tools here that he hasn't come to pick up.  [they were probably either borrowed or stolen anyway,,]
the last time I talked to him,, he said his wife and kids had left and gone somewhere else,, [probably back to Mexico] cause he didn't have any money or a job,,

I hope it all turns out ok ,,I think it will, once I get the cover done,, I will probably have to wait till spring for that,, or hopefully have a dry spell for a day or 2,biggrin not likely for a while according to the weather guy,,,



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Shame is a funny thing isn't it? There was a guy who worked for me not the summer just passed, but the summer before. He lasted maybe 3 weeks. In that 3 weeks he totally disrupted the way we do things, he made costly mistake after costly mistake (the last one was a dandy) and then after he was gone he slandered me all over town to anyone who would listen. He wouldn't talk to me on the phone but did wage an email war for a while. He hadta save face with his wife by blaming everything on me. Funny thing is; she also emailled me and said that she knew that what had happened was the guy's fault...not mine. Anyway, the fella left a saw, a pair of boots and a pair of rain pants in my shop and has never returned to gather 'em up. I won't let anyone use that stuff...it's on a shelf gatherin' dust. After all of the email bullpoop stopped I sent him and his wife one telling him to come get his stuff. What am I gonna do?...beat him up? I wouldn't bother, what would be the gain there? My point is; he knows that he screwed up and then screwed me and he's ashamed and won't show his face. Pathetic.

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  Those kind of people seem to be everywhere,, when I was in business, we had every type imaginable come through,, we were union, so once we had a good crew,, we stuck with them,,[we had a few guys that worked for us for over 20 years,, one was good friend that  just passed away from Pancretic cancer] and in busy times, just hiring guys that usually drifted from contractor to contractor,, not bad empolyees per say,, just liked to take time off during the summer months,, and then come back in the winter,
 some of those older guys that did that , are retired now,, and struggling , because when they were off all those nice summer days, their pensions and SS was going no where, , if ya snooz ya loose,weirdfacecry

Those concrete guys must buy those boots, by the dozen,, thats what this guy left here. along with a long handled finishing trowel, and a shovel..  I put them outside the back gate so if he came by to get them he didn't have to open the gate or knock,, just take your stuff and goodbye,,,

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If you're like me - - at my age if I decided to "whoop" somebody, which I probably couldn't, then I might as well go all the way - - - THEREFORE, I walk away just like you guys.

Only one person in my life that would have sent me to prison if I had ever turned loose on him and I found out the other day that "Crack Cocaine" is killing him so I may send him a "goodbye card" if I can get his address - - - furious

Wiff had good report at the Doc's office so life is STILL GOOD biggrin

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Good doctor reports are always a welcome thing...good news buddy.

That type of "worker" is very easy to come by...there's no shortage of 'em. That type of person is definately not worth gettin' in trouble for. Some are, but those fellas are so weak of character that they're not worth my time. evileye 

Your roof plan will take care of the water issues and make the place very cool. I just tend to get fired up when "contractors" have no integrity or ethics. It makes things tougher on those of us who do.

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  I kinda blame myself for a lot of this ,, the guy was a real hard worker, but very disorganized, he poured quite a bit of concrete for me last summer,, didn't have a regular crew,and most couldn't speak a lick of English 'ese" there was the language barrier, but I can talk enough mexican to get the point across, along with the shaking of the finger then the fist,,,biggrin  he wanted the concrete a day earlier than we had discussed, and got caught not being completely ready,, with no experanced help..[ the finishers were slated for the next day],, so he tried to get it all done , by himself  and the stuff was setting up faster than he could finish it,, and didn't go by my lazered layout that was a 2 " slope, he just tried to do it with a 2x4 and a level,, and read the level backwards..

It just cost him alot of work that I had planned on having him do,, all through the winter ,,cry

It'll all work out in the end,, I hope ,, just cost me more than I had planned on..weirdface

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It can be easy to get in over yer head if yer not careful. hmm When I first started takin' on work myself I was so eager to please my customers that I almost got that way myself a coupla times. weirdfaceIt's not good fer anyone.

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  I always tryed to give my regular customers any  extras I could , it is just good PR, and will come back in your favor, [sometimes]

We were strictly Commercial interior tenant improvement contractors, we did big jobs, like hirise office buildings, and strip malls,
 We had our regular [Gen] contractors that we had worked with for years, and yes there were some fly by nighter subs,, but those guys usually were found out pretty quickly,, especially if a new unknown sub came in from another state and started bidding on big jobs,, the contractors board checked them out real quick,, so we had some really good relationships with the general contractors, Honesty and TRUST turned to longevity and regularity real quick,, It was a tight group to get in with,, but a good group,,

It was one of these outside subs that we sold out too,, in 2000

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