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Hi folks! Can't remember if I showed ya this stuff before or not. They might give ya'll an idea fer a 'crete project of yer own. hmm These 3 pics are hearth pads that I make and sell...for under wood stoves and such. They're solid 'crete so the "tile" or "stone" can't come loose...they're engraved into the 'crete. 

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The first on here is an antique sewin' machine base with a 'crete top...we use it fer a phone table at home. The second is a patio table...top is to ressemble a stone, base is to ressemble a tree stump. I'm sorry if I already posted this...my memory is no good. I just thought they might give ya an idea fer yerselves. hmm

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Wow, C.O. - - - just some more reasons why you need a Hot Rod Project - - - you gots talent, my friend winner.gifworship.gif

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Wow, C.O. - - - just some more reasons why you need a Hot Rod Project - - - you gots talent, my friend winner.gifworship.gif



absolutely NO doubt bout that, absolute artist, have you thought about a web site? and selling this stuff online? the shippers would love to get your shipping account,

Beautiful job , biggrin  Question!!  how did you mold the tree stump? that looks real..


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dangit come on you could sell that stuff.that is art.its all nice,but im with rat.that dagone stump and stone table is great!!!more,more!!

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Beautiful job , biggrin  Question!!  how did you mold the tree stump? that looks real..


Yes, it does - - I'll bet you could "re-crete-8" and market this Texas Bird Bath that the Wiff got me for my BD a couple of years ago - - - think she paid around $70 or $80 back then.
The coloring/stain job isn't near as nice as your work.





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Gawd fellas! Yer gonna make me blush aww thanx. That birdbath is very cool Mello...I gotta try one. I had a website that was more to show the patios and stuff that we do...the flatwork. I've always wanted to add the 'crete items to the biz but since I got hurt everything's been upside down. Now I'm tryin' to "restructure" the biz so that the items are the main thing. I love doin' it...big time. I was kinda fishin' a bit when I posted those too. I know that you folks would give me honest feedback. Ya think folks would want 'em if I did the online sales thing? I may need some input on pricing if ya'll don't mind too hmm I sell those hearth pads easily at $200.00, so that one must be OK but I may be askin' fer opinions when I get some other things goin'.
The tree stump, I just kinda built it up...sculpted I guess? Really easy to do. There's a big chunk of styrofoam in the centre to keep the weight down and as a starting point to build on.
Thanx again for the nice compliments. An online store is exactly what I was thinkin' and if you all don't mind and Poncho doesn't mind I really appreciate the input.

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Gawd fellas! Yer gonna make me blush aww thanx. That birdbath is very cool Mello...I gotta try one. I had a website that was more to show the patios and stuff that we do...the flatwork. I've always wanted to add the 'crete items to the biz but since I got hurt everything's been upside down. Now I'm tryin' to "restructure" the biz so that the items are the main thing. I love doin' it...big time. I was kinda fishin' a bit when I posted those too. I know that you folks would give me honest feedback. Ya think folks would want 'em if I did the online sales thing? I may need some input on pricing if ya'll don't mind too hmm I sell those hearth pads easily at $200.00, so that one must be OK but I may be askin' fer opinions when I get some other things goin'.
The tree stump, I just kinda built it up...sculpted I guess? Really easy to do. There's a big chunk of styrofoam in the centre to keep the weight down and as a starting point to build on.
Thanx again for the nice compliments. An online store is exactly what I was thinkin' and if you all don't mind and Poncho doesn't mind I really appreciate the input.



 If you are serious about doing this,, I might be interested in a franchise deal in this area,, this stuff is really popular here,
 200. sounds cheap for that hearth stone,, we have a place here that sell that stuff,  I will pull up their web site and get a idea what they are selling for around here,

check out these prices,,,    and they are plywood and tile  http://www.northlineexpress.com/category/hearth-pads.asp




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Go for it - - thumbsup.gif

the shipping will probably be the biggest hurdle IMHO but nothing that can't be overcome

even tho we are very remote here, I will help get the word out in anyway that I can - - - worship.gif

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hey come on.you could start with craigs list and have them picked up.i think you could sell that stuff anywhere.especialy the one of a kind pieces.

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I did a little bit of sales with Kijiji (it's similar to Craig's List) and had a really decent response. In fact, I hadta pull my ad because I wasn't really prepared at the time to run steady with it. I had a chat with my son and he is prepared to work it with me so now we're ready. The fact that you fellas think that the stuff could sell and you're scattered in a few places is very encouraging. I'm not entirely certain how to proceed, though. Online sales through a website would be one way. I'd prefer to steer clear of credit cards, but would PayPal and money orders be sufficient? Wholesale to dealers would be even better, but probably quite time consuming to set up. I'm not sure what kind of arrangement you may be talkin' about Rat, but I'm certainly interested.

Those $200.00 hearth pads have $25.00 (or less) worth of materials and about an hour to an hour and a half of total labor time in 'em. Tabletops like the one on the sewing machine would be considerably less. I really enjoy all of it but the "one of" stuff like the tree stump table are a blast.

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hey come on.make somethin else looks like your a natural.that is art you know.i like hand made items much better than the ones poured into a mould.thats some dang cool work.more,more

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yey mello,is that stump under that texas bird bath real?if not,did you burry the base.

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yey mello,is that stump under that texas bird bath real?if not,did you burry the base.



not real, it's crete but the bottom kinda flares out with about a 1/2" lip at the bottom

you have to place the top on the stump part just right for it to be solid - - - they recommended that I glue the top to the bottom - - but I am way too smart for that kind of suggestion

when we moved from the Hill country it was no problem to move in 2 pieces but had it been glued it would have probably gotten broken in transit.

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I like that birdbath, it's a cool piece. The bark looks as real as it gets.

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I did a little bit of sales with Kijiji (it's similar to Craig's List) and had a really decent response. In fact, I hadta pull my ad because I wasn't really prepared at the time to run steady with it. I had a chat with my son and he is prepared to work it with me so now we're ready. The fact that you fellas think that the stuff could sell and you're scattered in a few places is very encouraging. I'm not entirely certain how to proceed, though. Online sales through a website would be one way. I'd prefer to steer clear of credit cards, but would PayPal and money orders be sufficient? Wholesale to dealers would be even better, but probably quite time consuming to set up. I'm not sure what kind of arrangement you may be talkin' about Rat, but I'm certainly interested.

Those $200.00 hearth pads have $25.00 (or less) worth of materials and about an hour to an hour and a half of total labor time in 'em. Tabletops like the one on the sewing machine would be considerably less. I really enjoy all of it but the "one of" stuff like the tree stump table are a blast.



Instead of jumping in head first,, I think I would run some ads, on a site like Craigslist, [ like Mello mentioned]or maybe even E/Bay, to get a feel of how it will go over,  I don't know how long it would take to produce a few of them. but if you are doing several different styles, get a few orders and make them up after they are ordered, say shipped in 5-10 days, shipping heavy stuff like that will eat up a lot of the profit,, so price them accordingly,,,until you can determine which design will sell the most, and then start building a inventory, as you go,,
 I think you might be on to something here,  You do beautiful , unique work, and I bet you could do well with it,,



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Instead of jumping in head first,, I think I would run some ads, on a site like Craigslist, [ like Mello mentioned]or maybe even E/Bay, to get a feel of how it will go over,  I don't know how long it would take to produce a few of them. but if you are doing several different styles, get a few orders and make them up after they are ordered, say shipped in 5-10 days, shipping heavy stuff like that will eat up a lot of the profit,, so price them accordingly,,,until you can determine which design will sell the most, and then start building a inventory, as you go,,
 I think you might be on to something here,  You do beautiful , unique work, and I bet you could do well with it,,


it was Geez that mentioned Craigslist but I agree with both of you - - - the talent is there so all you need now is the proper marketing plan and "slow and easy" is probably the best way then you'll get a feeling of the size of the market out there

good luck and let me know if I can help

p.s. that birdbath appears to be from a casting/mold/form kinda thing - - of course the Longhorns really caught my eye - cowboy.gif




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Yep makes sense ta me. For the hearth pads I'd like to have "blanks" made ahead 'cause they need to cure 2 weeks (minimum) before they can be stained. I guess I could 'cause there are shapes and sizes that are fairly common and anything else could be made up to order. The "custom" part of those are the colors and patterns anyway. hmm Even for table tops I could have "stock" pieces I guess. Shipping is gonna be a real butt-chapper...so far folks have come to pick their stuff up. Quite a few have come from Halifax and that's 100 miles city limit to city limit. I was surprised by that. Their are some molds that I wouldn't mind runnin' too.
I'd like to incorperate wood into some of the tables...maybe 'crete top with wood base...what do ya think? I've never welded but I think that some cool stuff could be done with that combo too. My boy said tonight that he has an interest in blacksmith type of metal work...I'm encouraging him to give it a go. Could work into a cool combo too.
Think I'll go put up another Kijiji ad. Do folks use Kijiji where you guys are? It's way more popular than Craig's List here.

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I found a few more pics...one is a demo table with a broken base. I was experimenting with base options and this one obviously needed better reinforcement...the boy dropped it and it broke. The other pic is a table top made for a base that a customer had.

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  talking about the shipping,, would light weight crete work,, with some mesh reinforcement, to save on the weight? or some of that styrofoam ball stuff mixed in the crete,,
 do you use any kind of reinforcement in the crete to prevent cracking?

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I found a few more pics...one is a demo table with a broken base. I was experimenting with base options and this one obviously needed better reinforcement...the boy dropped it and it broke. The other pic is a table top made for a base that a customer had.



why wouldn't one of those concrete culvert tubes with the bell end on it   work for a pedestal?biggrin



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Had the same idea Rat...cuttin' them to length is a pain. They don't make one that's just right. Have you ever heard of the "Bigfoot" footing tubes? They are the bigger, better version of tubes and are belled at the end. I haven't used one yet (for this), but I think that they will work perfectly for pedastals. By the way...those "Bigfoot" tubes were invented here in lil' ol' Nova Scotia. aww 

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hey cone on.theres a guy down the road a bit that makes moulds and pours alot of different figures.they are cool.it looks like the mould is easy to make.i bet you can make them too.its some kind a latex with a little braceing built in with the latex around the object bein reproduced.its dang cool the way they turn out.the 3 grotesks on our house came from there.my speelin sux,hope you can figer it out.the gargile has water comein from its mouth.the grotesk doesnt.thats the difference.i mite have a picture of one of em.there is a lite weight mix for those projects.this feller has a BIG dragon.hes gona make a mold for.the crete is the cheepest part.i should go see him and get a few photos.its about 5 miles from here.

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Neat that your boy wants to get into blacksmithing and decorative iron.  I did a "very" little bit with my horseshoeing forge but nothing worth bragging about - - my favortie thing was to make thiings from old dull hoof rasps - - - I made a cobra snake and gave it to my buddy and also made several sets of spurs with the coarse side of the rasp showing and it looked almost like snake skin - - a friend of mine opened a "yuppie store" in Houston and contracted me to make her some mini-branding irons for steaks with the state of texas, plain stars and then R-M-W for (rare, medium and well) can you believe I have NO PICS of any of that??

There are lots of neat ideas out there on building your own forge too - - - depending on whether you want to use coal or gas, some are real easy.  The one I used in farriers college was made from a truck rim and it was pretty efficient.

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hey cone on.theres a guy down the road a bit that makes moulds and pours alot of different figures.they are cool.it looks like the mould is easy to make.i bet you can make them too.its some kind a latex with a little braceing built in with the latex around the object bein reproduced.its dang cool the way they turn out.the 3 grotesks on our house came from there.my speelin sux,hope you can figer it out.the gargile has water comein from its mouth.the grotesk doesnt.thats the difference.i mite have a picture of one of em.there is a lite weight mix for those projects.this feller has a BIG dragon.hes gona make a mold for.the crete is the cheepest part.i should go see him and get a few photos.its about 5 miles from here.



There are several places that sell that mold latex,, TAP plastics for one..its a 2 part mix, that comes out real flexible,, so you need to have the mold supported by something like s surround of plaster of Paris or like substance. works good for small figurines, larger stuff like the stump would probably need to be built out of fiberglass,

 If you are concerned about the spelling,, your puter should have a spell check,, if not ,, I don't think anyone on here really gives a rip if a word is speltno wrong,  havn't you heard that as long as the first and last letter in the word is right, your brain is able to make a person make out the word,
like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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You're right on 2 counts there Rat...who cares about the spelling?...and our brain does sort that stuff out to make sense.
"Geezer likes women and automobiles." biggrin
No Mello, I can't believe that you didn't get a pic of that work. no Tsk,tsk. I do believe that you made some pretty nifty stuff though. Those spurs musta been wild lookin'. I hope that the boy goes after that. Not only to have that skill as a hobby or possible money maker for himself, but that sorta work would go so well with some 'crete stuff.
I've read some about the latex to make molds, but haven't tried it yet. I wanna. There are molds available ready to use for just about everything too. I can see using both the ready made and the custom shop made. I like gargoyles and a lot of the ancient Egyptian things too.
The missus and I had quite the pow-wow this mornin' about where the biz is goin' and what I'm capable of doin'. I get all torqued up about this stuff and love makin' and designin' the stuff. Money is tight for us right now...I haven't really made much money since I got hurt (March '07) so that's gonna limit us somewhat. Heh,heh...some days I'm so broke I can't afford to pay attention. laughing.gif But I have a lot of what we need to get started anyway. We're definately on the same page as far as takin' the biz in this direction and I gotta get in the shop, make a few things and get 'em on Kijiji. That will get the ball rollin'. That gets our stuff out there and gives some money to plow back into the biz.
I've got some cool stuff doodled and sketched so, hopefully, I'll have a coupla things to show soon. Sometimes 'cause I am so amped up about it I can't see the forest for the trees...so if ya'll don't mind I'd like to post stuff as it's ready and continue to get yer feedback.

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havn't you heard that as long as the first and last letter in the word is right, your brain is able to make a person make out the word,
like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Gzeeer lkies wmoen, and atoumbloes


what do you mean he kills men and tumbles and who's Zeeer anyway biggrin



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Bad Rat wrote:
havn't you heard that as long as the first and last letter in the word is right, your brain is able to make a person make out the word,
like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Gzeeer lkies wmoen, and atoumbloes


what do you mean he kills men and tumbles and who's Zeeer anyway biggrin
Damn'd if I know!!!! but I got a shirt with his mane on it,, so he must be impotentconfuseconfuse

I also said you need a brain that will figure it out,,,, ya left yourself WIDE open for that onebiggrinbiggrinbiggrincry


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 After I quit build ing cars for others, I wanted to do the wrought iron stuff, like gates, plant hangers, pot stands, even went out and bought a rolling machine, rolls either round or flat stock, , but never really got into it,, I plan on making some stuff for the patio this spring,,
C.O does your son know how to weld?  wire feed welders are really simple to use, and great for production work, or any type work really,, I use a Miller 175 challenger, that will welt up to 3/8" stuff. cost about 5-600 bucks I think, I also have a miller Tig, that I hardly ever use,, but it does the row of nickels weld really nice.

 Its great to hear that you are putting together a plan, and I bet it  will all work out for you.  Your son could do the grunt work, and maybe get him a buddy to help him, and you do the supervising and run the business end of it,,Thats a job in itself, as you probably know,, just don't go out and do more damage to your back,, I know from experance,, with my own back problems, that I needed to keep busy to keep from hurting so much, I still stiffen up if I just sit around,,

sounds like you got the wiffs attention now,,, so go fer the gold,one step at a time,
Is he still in school? good w/e and summer job, putting together some inventory,


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Yep. The boy is still in high school. Nope. Neither of us have ever so much as tried welding. I have always wanted to and keep hearin' that mig is the waytago. I gotta get one and go at it 'cause it just goes so well with the 'crete...amoung other reasons. The whole blacksmith craftsman handmade thing is very interesting and appealling. If the boy doesn't pursue it I will, but I'm gonna work on him and try to make it somethin' else that we'll do together. I just went downstairs (dammit stairs are hard on me) and found 2 unfinished projects of mine. I'm gonna get 'em done and post them as examples in an ad with the hearth pads.

That roller would be a must have kinda unit I think.

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lol.you fellers are a hoot.hahaha.last week i laughed so long my face and abbs got sore readin the posts yall make.hey rat,that ornimental iron is $$$ to buy.thats a good idea.just get some help.im not super man anymore either.it sux to need help but,just aint used to it yet.theres alot of things we can still do,just not the heavy work.come on,take it easy on your back.you need it,what you have left.looks like were all banged up some.hahaha.....it would be hard to just do nothin wouldnt it fellers?good luck with all your projects fellers.mello do want an old truck?ill look around?????

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nawww, Geez, I'd have to dump the 55 before taking on another car project and that isn't likely to happen because of the economy but if I do decide to then I'll give you a holler.

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one of my buddys passed away 3 years ago.he had some dang cool but $$$$$cars.now there all gone.he had an old chevy,early 50's pannel,sub,carry all.dang cool old truck.i could have got it for 5k.but didnt need it.that thing was nice mello.just needed paint and some interior work, but had a 396.oh well,snooze you loose.theres still alot of those old trucks around here and in southeastern okla.

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if I could get around $26,000 for my 55 then I would really get serious about a cool old carryall/suburban but those days are over for a while anyhow - - - shoulda sold out in 2006 cry

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to heck with a truck if you have to sell the 55.no,no,no,keep it mello.you'd miss that 55.kinda like poncho misses his.

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I would think that watchin' those tail lights disappear would tend ta sting. cry Think you could let 'er go Mello? I was thinkin' they would make a cool set. biggrin 

I need some new tools! Normally that's cause fer celebration but not this time.disbelief  evileye My jigsaw, router and beltsander all croaked at the same time. confuse Ain't that great? Oh well, I can get a coupla little projects done and they can buy some new tools. Then...I can celebrate. biggrin I'm thinkin' about tryin' Hitachi...been hearin' good stuff about 'em. Those 3 that just quit were the only tools of mine that aren't Makita...they're all Black & Decker. Ooops! I lied...I have one DeWalt palm sander. You fellas know anything about the Hitachi? Maybe I'll just stick with Makita I've had good luck with them. confuse Decisions, decisions.

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Makita and B&D are all that I am familiar with - - both good tools but I know nothing about Hitachi - - - bet someone else here does tho.

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Makita and B&D are all that I am familiar with - - both good tools but I know nothing about Hitachi - - - bet someone else here does tho.



I don't know much about hitachi,, we always bought De Walt.. which also owns B&D. Makita was a pretty good tool,, but I think they have kinda gone down hill recently, at least the last couple I bought didn't last long,, De Walt was always my favorite for  cordless tools



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i think that all of the tools are less than they were years back.i use the cheep circular saws because they are lite weight.them old tools are the best,but they are heavy.used to not matter.now it does.

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I've noticed that Makita doesn't seem to be what it was...but what is? Hitachi has a very good name, Milwalkee used to be good (don't know about now) and DeWalt has a good rep too. Dependin' on what the individual tools feel like, I may just stick with Makita.

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  The tools we used in daily heavy use were The cordless drills, usually the 14V,, 12" miter saws,[ elec.] some cordless  sawsalls and elec sawsalls,

before DeWalt came out with the yellow cordless drills, and the elec screw guns, we used B&D, went through ALOT of the  B&D drywall screw guns then tried Makita, and just about every other brand,, I think we might have had some hitachi's in there too, I don't know, { I wasn't using them everyday so I don't remember ] but the 14V Dewalt out lasted all of them,, I still have several of the DeWalt cordless drills, and they still work fine,, The nice thing about DeWalt is ALL the battery's will fit and run the gun regardless of the voltage of the gun or battery, and the chargers work with all the different batteries,, but a 12 V charger will not charge up a 14 V battery to full capacity of course but it will charge it up to 12 V,
[ That was handy on jobs where there were batterys charging all the time' usually wouldn't be a issue for a individual user ]

I am  a tool nut kinda,, and these days nearly everything is made in China, most likely some of the name brand tools that we assume are made in the US,, and are expensive and don't last like they use too, so now I pretty much just buy the throw away grinders and other power tools ,from Harbor freight,the grinders are on sale usually for 10 -12 bucks,, buy a couple at a time and always have a spare, when one goes belly up,,, but so far they have lasted as long or longer than a makita, or B&D,, and they come with a spare set of brushes even,, can't beat that with a stick,,,nono

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Mello Yello wrote:

if I could get around $26,000 for my 55 then I would really get serious about a cool old carryall/suburban but those days are over for a while anyhow - - - shoulda sold out in 2006 cry

sorry bout the hi-jack



  Yeah  collector cars are not bring the price they did just recently,, but some people that have gotten in financial problems with the economy , are having to free up some money, and of course the toys come first,, I have been watching some of the auctions on TV, and prices are way down from what they were just a couple of months back,

 from what I see of your 55, from just looking at what pictures I have seen of it,, which aren't many,, I think 26K would be a give away,  Thats more of a restro, than a street rod , isn't it?  meaning its not overly modified and hotrodded,, pretty much stock??

Tri Fives are  dream cars, and are getting harder and harder to find ,,years ago, in the 60's I had a nice 55 B/A H/T like yours,, and sold it to a friend on a payment plan,, long story short.. DON"T EVER,, REPEAT EVER do that ,, didn't pay ,, went to get the car,, and found it in his front yard , wrecked badly. laying on its side so he could strip the drive train outta it, furiousfuriousfurious

I'm still looking for that A/Hfurious end of Hi jack

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Bad Rat wrote:
from what I see of your 55, from just looking at what pictures I have seen of it,, which aren't many,, I think 26K would be a give away,  Thats more of a restro, than a street rod , isn't it?  meaning its not overly modified and hotrodded,, pretty much stock??


yes pretty much stock and lightly modified - - still has manual steering, power front disc, dropped spindles, vintage air, 350 SB, new shocks, new radiator, new tires and rims, new fuel pump and $26 would be a give away for me - - paid $22,500 and then I did all the above work to it except the vintage air and the 350SB




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Oh yeah...any day that I get a new tool is a good day aww  I was just downstairs and came across a coupla tools that I had forgotten...a 1/2" hammer drill (corded) and a 5" mini grinder (corded). Both are Metabo, a German company, and have been used and abused by many hands. They are good tools.

Dammit Rat that buddy is a real piece of work. evileye How do these people live with themselves?

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I lost my files and pics and then found 'em all and I came across this one. It's one of the first things I did with acid stain and engraving. It's done on the backside of a 24"x32" patio stone.



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damit co.thats a nice piece of work.your a dang ar-tiest.cool,verry nice more co more

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damit co.thats a nice piece of work.your a dang ar-tiest.cool,verry nice more co more

What he said - - - cold here this morning but supposed to warm up quickly so it's HO HO HO and off we go Christmas Shopping - - - Bah Humbug

have a great day, Y'all biggrin




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yeah,you got another fan here,its always good to cross paths with guys like you keeps my head from swelling and feet on the ground,

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Well thanx a bunch fellas...I somehow missed this thread until DBM posted in it today. confuse Thanx to you too DBM (deadbodyman) and welcome to the site. handshake.gif You say somethin' about keepin' yer head from swellin'...is that because of yer bodywork or do you play with the 'crete too?

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