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 Hi new member, Paul Morford.  I am into heating work, so if i can be of any
 help to you let me know  paulm989@yahoo.com   I am from Houghton
 Lake Mi.   Later Paul

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Hi Paul! handshake.gif Can ya do anything ta warm up Nova Scotia? pray.gif4sun.gif isn't workin' fast enough fer me. disbeliefbiggrin

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Welcome, Paul, good to see a Heating Pro on board - - hope you enjoy the Forum thumbsup.gif

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Buy a winter home abour 1200 mi. south. It is warmer there then where i am at, Houghton Lake Mi.  Later Paul

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Yeah...that's bein' considered believe me. biggrin

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 Thanks for the invite there Senior Member,  This is my group.
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paulstractorpage/    It a garden tractor
 group but we mostly bs each each other.

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Paul...Seems both our groups are full of BS at times.....LOL

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 Hi Harry, The Bs is what makes it fun!!!     Later Paul

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 Hi Ya Paul  Welcome to handyman,,,,, It seems I'm always a day late and a dollar short,, I just got through postin on the other thread about heating,,  but what the hell,,
I t just so happens I am getting ready to install a new boiler for my existing heating system, but not untill after the holidays,, you signed up just in the nick of timewinkwink to answer some real stupid questions,,, that is to come later  ,,, OK??

 I just bought a Weil McLain ultra 105 boiler,, now I guess you will inform me that they are the worst made?? but anything is better than the 25 Y/O hydro-therm that's in there now,, at least I hope it will be,,

OH Yeah  WELCOME to the site,, B.S is the main topic most of the time,, and I'm usually the target victim of choicebiggrinbiggrin 

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Hi bad rat paul here. thats a nice looking hot rod in your pic.  I am into old
 garden tractors. I don't know to much about the boiler you are looking at.
  i have sold Weil McLain  over the years, in fact i heat my place with a old VHE Weil McLain.  When you go to put her in if i can answer any questions, i would be glad to.  I take it you have already pick out the right size boiler?  For your house and the rad. that you have.  I heat my liv.
 area with baseboard rad. one office with a cast iron rad. My front area
 with a water unit heater. and my basement with a blower-coil unit from my boiler. then i have a boilermate for my domestic hot water.
  So let me know if i can help you. Nice talking to you.  Later Paul
 
 

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Thanks Paul,, My house is totally heated with base board radiant heat, The house originally had a oil furnace, but was replaced at some point with the boiler hot water heat,, I love the comfort of radiant heat,, its just not a instant heat like forced air,, I guess it was rather popular here years ago,, but because we don't hardly get the severe cold like you guys do, its gone more to forced air,,
 The original boiler still works good,, its just not energy efficient, at all, heating a couple of rooms cost around 400 $ a month,, furious the boiler tech. that came out said it is way too big for the house . [180K btu] and constantly recycles,, off and on constantly,, and recommended a 80 K btu, but I got a 105 K because I might add a addition at some point,,

I got several bids for the replacement, but decided to take on the job myself,, I was a contractor for 35 years, and have some plumber friends,, one is gonna do the install for me, [ using the existing piping, ] My job is to stand back and intercept all interference from anyone trying to tell him how to do his job ,,including myself,,biggrin 

I'll take a photo series to post here . maybe to help out future do -it yourselfers, while learning stuff myself,,

 Thanks for the assistance offer,,,, biggrinbiggrin  Good to have a expert on board,,

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paul52446m wrote:

Hi bad rat paul here. thats a nice looking hot rod in your pic.  I am into old
 garden tractors. .  Later Paul
 
 



  Thanks Paull   That is a 33 Ford, fiberglass  "RATS GLASS" Body, with a blown 468 BBC.  Hince the handle "BAD RAT"  we built it a couple of years back for a guy,, then got it back earlier this year,, then  finally resold it ,, I loved the car and it was a blast to drive, [more like it had control tho] but I'm glad it went away,,,$$$$$$$ [my Wiff is too]

Those garden tractors seem like a neat hobby,, I sure would like to find a radiator shell off of a old ful size tractor,, my son is building a 27 T roadster P/U rat rod lookin thing, and a shell off a farmall cub or something simular would look kool I think,, 
 


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 Hi again, Paul here. If your house been heating good from your old boiler,
 and you don't take a heat loss. see what footage of base board Rad you have. most standard rad. puts out 600 BTU of heat per ft. of rad. at a one gal. flow at 180 degrees water temp. of course it has to be piped right to do this.  So if you take the footage of rad. X 600 that will tell you how much heat you are using in your house.  A boiler has a input Btu rating,
 a output rating, and a IBR out put rating. Your IBR output rating be as much or greater than the BTU. of your Rad. The different in the out and IBR output is the loss you get off piping under your home.  Later Paul

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Aha! That little rule of thumb just explained a lot to me...cool. I'm a big believer in radiant heat over any other and especially the infloor type.

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 Hi again, Paul here. If your house been heating good from your old boiler,
 and you don't take a heat loss. see what footage of base board Rad you have. most standard rad. puts out 600 BTU of heat per ft. of rad. at a one gal. flow at 180 degrees water temp. of course it has to be piped right to do this.  So if you take the footage of rad. X 600 that will tell you how much heat you are using in your house.  A boiler has a input Btu rating,
 a output rating, and a IBR out put rating. Your IBR output rating be as much or greater than the BTU. of your Rad. The different in the out and IBR output is the loss you get off piping under your home.  Later Paul



HUH????..  I am just going by what the contractor recomended, and then adding a step up for future addons,,

By stating that the existing boiler worked,, is just meaning that it fired up and heated the water,, but was outdated and not effecent at all,, the new one is reted at 93 %,,  I do know that the pipes under the house need to be checked out for sure,, I paid my youngest son to do that a few years back when he needed some money for something,, I just was never lucky enough to get him to do it,disbelief now that he'd bigger,, he might have a hard time getting under there,, He might just have to hire a midget to do his already paid for job,,, I'm sure thats where alot of the heat goes,,, but the boiler was old, and not very effecent,, so I'm updating it..biggrin



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 Paul here i just put that in there so a person can tell how to size a boiler.
    Later Paul



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Hello all, can't seem to get my avatar to work.  Nevermind:)

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Hello Durwood! handshake.gif C'mon in...I'll hafta go through the avatar steps again myself before I can help ya with that. confuse I don't wanna steer ya wrong if I forget a step.

Cool! It looks like ya figured it out on yer own. thumbsup.gif

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paul52446m wrote:

 Hi again, Paul here. If your house been heating good from your old boiler,
 and you don't take a heat loss. see what footage of base board Rad you have. most standard rad. puts out 600 BTU of heat per ft. of rad. at a one gal. flow at 180 degrees water temp. of course it has to be piped right to do this.  So if you take the footage of rad. X 600 that will tell you how much heat you are using in your house.  A boiler has a input Btu rating,
 a output rating, and a IBR out put rating. Your IBR output rating be as much or greater than the BTU. of your Rad. The different in the out and IBR output is the loss you get off piping under your home.  Later Paul



the IBR rating on this new boiler is 81000



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 Hi paul here. So how many feet of rad. do you have??   Later Paul

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