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Ceramic tile over concrete in basement


I have a raised ranch home with a finished downstairs.  At the bottom of the stairs and the laundry room, I'm going to install ceramic tiles.  The problem is the concrete floor has had 2 other floors installed over the years.  First was a glued down 12x12
linolium squares, wich I ripped up 5 years ago when I bought the house.  The second floor was cheap self stick 12x12 squares, installed as a temp solution as other more important projects were done.(they actually held up quite well considering how cheap they were and the fact that the old glue was never completely removed)

The problem is now that I want to put ceramic tiles down how do I remove the the old glue that is on the floor.  At Home Depot the guy wanted to sell me a sealer/primer type stuff (Red Kote or something like that) that he said just to put right over the glue and seal it in.  This doesn't seem right to me, if the glue lifts its going to take that stuff off as well, along with the thinset and tiles. right?

At Lowes they told me to try Muratic acid, or some other stuff that kind of smelled like some sort of paint thinner.  Neither option sounded to good to me, as this is inside the house and would rather not use acid or flamable liquids.  Besides the smell, I worry about not being able to fully remove them and having adhesion problems in the future, not to mention the explosion risk (the boiler and hot water tank are in the laundry room).

I planned on using a thin set mortar under the 12x12 ceramic tiles, that Ive also been told by a friend to just wet the concrete, and set the tiles, and not to even worry about cleaning the old glue off.

So any thoughts, opinions, etc.  What would you do in this case.

Sorry about the long post, just wanted to try and give as much detail as poss.

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Brian




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Hi there!  handshake.gif  This is kinda up my alley, so I'll give ya my twocents.gif You're exactly right about that stuff needin' to come off and acid isn't a cleaner. That would just be a waste of money and effort. There are some great strippers out that are enviro friendly with no harmful odors. I'm in Canada so what's available is different but there's a good Soy Gel one and a Citrus one. If you were to look those up you may find them. I'm in contact with folks in the U.S. that are in the same biz as me daily so I'll ask for some product names and post 'em here for ya. Removal is gonna involve some elbow grease and scraping.
....I'll be back with some names.

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you might also check with a rental shop. I know the one in my town has a machine that scrape down cement.
Don't no how it works looks to be about 12" wide with a blade that angles down to the floor. It has a motor so
it must vibrate or something.. not much help but its all i know. Later Paul

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I'm sure CO will come up with the product name but my Wiff's son and his GF just finished cleaning and scrapping the back bedroom floor and getting it ready for ceramic tile also.  He said they used a liquid and a gel and he would let me know the brand names when he went home for lunch today.

If it were me, I would find me a "Tim the Toolman Taylor" more power machine and get an oxygen mask and "WHOOPIE" - everybody outa the way w00t.gif

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Here's what the Wiff's son used.

He said it worked very good but not without

some good scrappers and a lot of elbow grease added biggrin

 



-- Edited by Mello Yello on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 04:16:36 PM

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I'm still waitin' for a response from my buddies on this. hmm And I haven't had time to do any research of my own, sorry. I do know that one good one was a Soy Gel and the other a Citrus based one though. I also know that they find that it works best when left for longer than the directions say and when covered with a poly sheet to keep it moist and "working" longer.

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 just so happens that I just finished doing exactly what you discribed,, It had some kind of cheap linoleum, I had scraped that up about 15 years back and put down the selfstickers, [well some of em stuck,,] So I just got out my trusty old floor scraper, [angled head that uses a replacable sharp blade, about 8" long, and got busy,, it took me probably 2 hrs to scrape up the old tile, the old glue was black , tar looking stuff,, hard and brittle,, but popped up pretty well,,,
room is 6' 6 X 12' . it was a bit tough,, but its done,, all I have to do now is put down the 12x12 tile,, but I need to do some sheetrocking first,,


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but I need to do some sheetrocking first,,


careful with that drywall, if you don't know what you're doing it can be a real boogerboo rofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gif

 



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furiousMello Yello wrote:

 

Bad Rat wrote:
but I need to do some sheetrocking first,,


careful with that drywall, if you don't know what you're doing it can be a real boogerboo rofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gif

 



No   S # ! T,,, I sure am glad I didn't kill my kid when he was younger like I wanted too at times.. he finally came in handy to have around,,,
Back in the old days,, I could nail so fast it sounded like a machine gun,, now it sounds like some 2 year old beatin on a board..

sure glad they invented screw guns,, The batt. was dead on mine ,, so I figured what the hell,, I'll just nail it up,

Got out my trusty folding saw horse, hammer and a hand full of nails, told my kid to hold one end,, I tried holding it up with my head. like the old days,, ???? my tri focal glasses didn't work too good in that position, so the first thing I did was smack my finger,, furiousno  my kid was laughing his butt off, askin me if I really knew what I was doing,, cry,, so the showing off,, didn't go over so well, finally had to resort to the screw gun,, and just holding it up for him to screw off,,

 Its really hard to imagine that I did that crap once.. what the hell was I thinkin????confuse

 



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Bad Rat wrote:


Its really hard to imagine that I did that crap once.. what the hell was I thinkin????confuse


lmao - - I know exactly what you're talking about - - - and to think, we used to consider a 100 sheets a day NORMAL - - - nodisbeliefconfuse

the old eyes bother me more trying to nail it up than anything else shocked.gif  I still prefer nailing over the dang screwgun, tho nirvana.gif


 



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Bad Rat wrote:


Its really hard to imagine that I did that crap once.. what the hell was I thinkin????confuse


lmao - - I know exactly what you're talking about - - - and to think, we used to consider a 100 sheets a day NORMAL - - - nodisbeliefconfuse

the old eyes bother me more trying to nail it up than anything else shocked.gif  I still prefer nailing over the dang screwgun, tho nirvana.gif


 



Yeah,, if ya didn't get at least a hundred, a day ,, you were gonna go hungrey next week,, what was the footage price when you were hangin? I think the last board I hung footage was around 2 cts, LOOOOONG time ago......

I was watching some tv program the other day,, and there was these 2 guys hangin board in a corridor . on a commercial job,, around duct work and pipes and such,
Of course they were showing off for the camera, calling all the measurements back in 1,2,3, 4, for the 1/8. 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 " measurements, and the guy doing the cutting , got nearly every one of them wrong, crying.gifbiggrin , he was really stammering for excuses, finally the camera man, answered him with a YEAH.. YEAH< sure,, and turned the camera to something else,, my kid and I were laughing our butts off,, been there done that too,,,,disbelief

 I'm glad i went to pushin the pencil,wink



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yeah,, if ya didn't get at least a hundred, a day ,, you were gonna go hungrey next week,, what was the footage price when you were hangin? I think the last board I hung footage was around 2 cts, LOOOOONG time ago......
In the early '70s we were getting around 3.5cents to 4.5cents per/ft on conventional structures and condos, however, if it had high ceilings or required all 5/8ths firecoat or soundboard then they paid between 6cents and 8.5cents per/ft - - - didn't mind busting your buns for that kind of do-ra-me back then.

I was watching some tv program the other day,, and there was these 2 guys hangin board in a corridor . on a commercial job,, around duct work and pipes and such,
Of course they were showing off for the camera, calling all the measurements back in 1,2,3, 4, for the 1/8. 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 " measurements, LOL, it took my sons and the Wiff's sons a little while to get used to me saying things like 54/2 and 108/6 but it's soooooo much easier to remember a bunch of numbers that way and that tolerance is close enuff when you're hanging drywall and the guy doing the cutting , got nearly every one of them wrong, crying.gifbiggrin , he was really stammering for excuses, finally the camera man, answered him with a YEAH.. YEAH< sure,, and turned the camera to something else,, my kid and I were laughing our butts off,, been there done that too,,,,disbelief
LMAO - - "damn, I done cut it twice and it's still too short"

 

 I'm glad i went to pushin the pencil,wink I always enjoyed hanging rock for some reason - - - sure didn't take much mental ability, so maybe that's the reason biggrin




 



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