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Long ago I occasionally helped my father in law hang sheetrock. I've done a lot of it since then. I disliked doing it then and still do. But with that said, I know there are a couple of folks here that did/do it for a living.

His method of installing the metal corners was to nail them in place then tape them like a seam. When I helped him, of course I did it his way as he was an old world German craftsman and to disagree - not healthy. Since he is now gone, I don't use the tape and just do the compound. Since I'm in the process of finishing up my DW's laundry room (hey, no hurry, it was only  started 15 years agoashamed) and have hung some rock and nailed on the edges have wondered which way is right - his or mine (no, I don't hang rock with nailsinnocent.gif )


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crimper.jpgActually Dave,, either way is OK,, there are a couple of reasons that tape is used,, to speed up the process of putting the corner bead on ,, its really easy to put it on crooked, [twisted] and won't finish out to look right, so someone invented a tool  actually a crimper, that keeps the metal straight while you hit the crimper with a rubber mallet to crimp the metal on without having to use nails,, but the bead would pop off  real easy,, and usually did if it was hit someway,, [usually after people had moved in] so the tapers started putting a strip of tape along each side to prevent that,, they make a bead now that has the tape already on the metal.  called flex-bead,,

I always nailed my bead on and hated the job,, its hard to get straight,  but actually the tape is not necessary, just makes for a better lookin finish,,,,,,,,,


Thers not very many people now that use nails  ' screing rock on is the only way to go, no nail pops , which are a pain to fix,,

Mello and I were old school rockers,, Nailing board is a lost art,, listening to a good nailer nail off is music,, sounds like a machine gun,, 3 licks, one to start the nail one to finish it off and a idler lick to keep from smashing your finger and give you time to finger another nail to set,,  Takes years of practice, and alot of mashed fingers,,
screwing it on is much easier,,smile

-- Edited by Bad Rat on Thursday 4th of February 2010 05:05:09 PM

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Sounds to me like both us were right. And since this is a very small room with just a couple of "lines" of bead, will probably just slobber on the compound and not worry if it's 100% straight - and that's another story. Since I really don't do a lot of sheet rock work, usually just buy a 1 gallon bucket rather then the 5 gallon or mix the dry stuff. I screwed up today and got some of that "Light compound" by mistake. It is crap for taping!!!!! It's too dry to spread like I'm used to, and doesn't stick to the tape worth a dam'. Since I opened the bucket, will make do, but never - ever -  again. It does have one plus, it does a good job covering the screw holes. And nails - the last time I used nails was one room in my own older house and it was about 1977. The nails were made "elsewhere" (Poland??) and trying to drive them in the fir studs was a trial. Those nails were so soft they would do a 'S' shape when hit (amazing - no short term memory but recall something ~35 years ago)

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Y'all have pretty much covered all the bases - - - - I always nailed my corner bead on - - - - I never liked the crimper - - - - we would also put a short piece of tape across the corners where two pieces of metal came together so the floating trowel wouldn't click when mudding it in.  I hate taping and finishing but when I am forced to do it, I use the straight mud for spotting the nails and running the joints.  The only time I ever thinned the mud was when using a banjo (taping machine) and of course the texture has to be thinned.

We used the self-stick tape on my oldest son's upstairs job and I really like it - - - HOWEVER, I don't know what the longivity of it will be.

-- Edited by Mello Yello on Thursday 4th of February 2010 07:32:05 PM

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Sounds to me like both us were right. And since this is a very small room with just a couple of "lines" of bead, will probably just slobber on the compound and not worry if it's 100% straight - and that's another story. Since I really don't do a lot of sheet rock work, usually just buy a 1 gallon bucket rather then the 5 gallon or mix the dry stuff. I screwed up today and got some of that "Light compound" by mistake. It is crap for taping!!!!! It's too dry to spread like I'm used to, and doesn't stick to the tape worth a dam'. Since I opened the bucket, will make do, but never - ever -  again. It does have one plus, it does a good job covering the screw holes. And nails - the last time I used nails was one room in my own older house and it was about 1977. The nails were made "elsewhere" (Poland??) and trying to drive them in the fir studs was a trial. Those nails were so soft they would do a 'S' shape when hit (amazing - no short term memory but recall something ~35 years ago)



The"  LITE" mud is for the second fill on the joints,, it doesn't have the same glue as the joint compound,, If I remember right there is a chance that the tape might come loose if the finishing compound is used for taping,, but from the sounds of things,, you really don't give a damn if it does biggrin 
Its been Many many years since I did any amount of drywalling,, thats the reason my azz got so big ,, from sitting behind a desk, , and believe me I don't miss it in the least.

 Both my sons are in the trade now,, but not doing the drywall end of it,, they both work with doors and hardware,, and related work...  commercial not privite homes,,



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Dave W wrote:no short term memory but recall something ~35 years ago)

Thats about all I got left.. stuff that happens these days ain't worth remembering..

they say alseimers people can remember things that happened 30=40 years ago but nothing 30 0r 40 minutes ago..

 



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Dave W wrote:no short term memory but recall something ~35 years ago)

Thats about all I got left.. stuff that happens these days ain't worth remembering..

they say alseimers people can remember things that happened 30=40 years ago but nothing 30 0r 40 minutes ago..

OK-a-a-a-y. I have a problem then with my memoryfurious

You are so correct about not giving a damn - a For Sale sign will get stuck in the yard this spring and someone else will have to worry if the tape falls off the wall.crying.gif

Mellow - I finally read the back of the bucket - and that blurb said it's good for taping. I assure you. it isn't.disbelief.gif

 

 




 



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The stuff I have always used was called "Ready Mixed Joint Compound" - - - it doesn't shrink as much when it dries and therefore doesn't required as many fill coats either.

Speaking of For Sale Signs, I need to get off my tookus and get mine ready for a Sign - - - just got a few minor things left to do.

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I stopped at Home Despot this morning and picked up a bucket of the usual compound. It's a bit too thick, but what a difference slobbering on the metal corners. I'll thin it a bit for the next coat, but will probably have to use some of that 'Lite' crap to finish - it reminds me of those little cans of 'spackle' my mom used to buy to fill picture hanger holes.

As far as the For Sale sign - we are peeling wall paper and painting. The real estate people say that paper is 'out' for the young people we want to attract since we actually have a real estate boom here with a $4 billion+ chip fab plant being built about 5 miles away. Too bad NY State is so screwed up with taxes and fees - we would really like to stay but it has gotten too expensive and a 3000 sq ft house is way too big for us OF's - I'd rather play with my street rod, my camper, the DW and go fishingdevil.gifbiggrinbiggrin

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i aint never used joint compound rite out of the box or bucket. it needs to be a little wetter for the tape to stick. no matter what it says on the box or bucket "its not ready to use". needs a dang good mixin and a bit of water.if you cant get it to slowly pour out of a bucket its too dry.orange peal texture should be about as wet as a good quality paint when you spray it on.i have fixed so much work that was done by folks that didnt know what they were doin its unreal.it costs way more to fix than to do it rite the first time.i have used speed set alot. you can finish and texture on the same day. did that yesterday on a messy job i fixed.

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The walls turned out nice with only a couple of places that I sanded through to the tape - but since I do it every time until I regain the "feel" no big thing. I thinned the compound way down and it really made a difference - that's the thickest I ever saw in a fresh bucket. I had to reset the washer and dryer today so my DW could do some washing so it was on to cleaning out the storage room - what a @#$%%^& mess. I guess everyone has those black holes where you send stuff that's too good to heave out, but fine to trash when it's time to move. I found enough exotic wood to build all kinds of contraptions - and that stuff will be moved with me along with 90% of my shop stuff (standard stuff like nails, screws, odd brackets. spare engines, extra cans of BC/CCbrainless.gifheadbang.gif)

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Glad it turned out good for you - - - - I know what you mean about "junk" that doesn't get thrown away until you move - - - - I've got that facing me and once we get this house on the market and sold, I am moving one more time - - - - and after that it will be to the old folks home or the cemetary !

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Mello Yello wrote:

- - - - and after that it will be to the old folks home or the cemetery !




I know what you mean - I've lived (and moved ) too many places. Two more times. I've found "treasures" that I have no clue what they were or where they came from. That's the problem with a big house - too many nooks and crannies to store all of those things

 



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We have lived in this house for 30 years,, and I plan on leavin here in a pine box.. besides I still have unfinished projects that I started when we moved in. but thats because I have redone them several times,, 
 but mainly because I finally got it paid for,, and don't want anymore house payments,, no

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We have lived in the same house since 1969. We want to move to my place in the hills  in 2011. It will take long   to move all my stuff!

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Still working part time on this laundry room project and in the painting stage. What I've done so far has turned out pretty good - especially since there isn't a straight, level. perpendicular, square corner or edge(that is except for what I've doneeyepopping.gif ) - even the floor joists are bowed, warped and at different distances apart. Of course the house is a 40+ year old 'tract' house, built by using the cheapest available labordisbelief but thankfully using pretty good materials. Now the paint - my DW picked up a bucket of Valspar eggshell - which I thought was good paint, even if Lowe's is now selling it. That stuff was thicker then some of the out of the bucket 'mud' that I used. I have it thinned down - a lot!!! - but still need to do more as it doesn't flow worth a dam'.  Oh well, it will look good for the next ownerpainter.gif

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Man, I HATE IT when you have to "cut and fit" everything because it ain't square - - - big time bummer but it sounds like you've get it going your way finally.

Speaking of that thick Paint - - - - I had that same problem with Kilnz (sp) Brand and quit buying it - - - - all I buy now is Wally World generic brand !

Good Luck !

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Just to keep this thread goingsmile

Had the real estate lady in yesterday for a quick pass through - she really liked my laundry room jobw00t.gif, but the best part is that she wants to put it on the market in early April for $20 to $30K more then I had thought possible. Since we have the biggest construction job in the COUNTRY (now at $4.6 BILLION) being built 5-6 miles up the road, it appears house prices are starting to go way up locally. Whooooooppppeeeee!!!!

Another note - anyone bought any 14-2 NM house wire lately - holy cra#. Both HD and Lowes, 66 cents/foot or a "bargain" roll of 25 feet for $10.69. It wasn't too long ago that I bought a 250 foot roll for less then $25. It scares me with the 12-2 that I normally use for anything but light fixtures

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Sure hope that is a coming trend 'cause we are gonna put ours on the Market real soon pray.gif

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Keeping it on this thread - tho probably should be in the paint area, butashamed

I have crown molding at the top of the wall and generally paint it the same color as the ceiling - is this the normal way, or is it like a grounding electrical receptacle - where the smile can go either wayconfuse.gif- and that is by NEC

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My opinion is that it needs to be the same color as the ceiling or the same color as the wall.  Most all that I have seen is the same as the ceiling !  That way, if, you decide to wallpaper or panel then it doesn't end up looking like a white belt with a black suit wink

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My opinion is that it needs to be the same color as the ceiling or the same color as the wall.  Most all that I have seen is the same as the ceiling !  That way, if, you decide to wallpaper or panel then it doesn't end up looking like a white belt with a black suit wink



I guess that's probably why I've mostly done it that way - thanks for helping to make my decision credible, WR

 



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