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A friend on another forum bought a house and asked this........Maybe we can help out

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I did, I did!!! Only 360 easy monthly payments.

Among other things, I'd like to put some GOOD windows in it, but as happens all to often, I'm stumped having never done windows before.

The windows have the flange around the outside perimeter which is screwed to the wall. It has a second flange if you will, that extends out over the end of the vinyl siding a bit. The siding covers up the bottom flange and the screws holding it.

Trying to unhook one row of siding from the one below resulted in broken siding. Not bad, just a little off the end. It happened when trying to bend it enough to get it out from under the window flange.

Question. how the blazes do I get to the screws to take the old windows out? Only thing I can guess is cut the siding an inch or two. Which raises the next question? How devil would I trim that back in with the siding cut????

Now if any of you fellers know all about window replacement, and would like to work a day or two for free (13 windows in total, can't afford to hire it done) I gots just the job for you!

Dale

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Here's what ours looks like.  There is a piece of vinyl trim that goes between the window frame and the edge of the siding.



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There are so many styles, I think he is going to have to show pics......I invited him to join here.....will see.

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Yeah, pics would be much better and we promise not to scare him off !

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Actually, I am a member here, just lost the bookmark in a crash, and forgot how and where I came across this forum.

I'll see about getting some pictures. Might be kind of tough to do as I can only see the screws by peering past the siding when I had it pulled out.

It's actually a reasonable setup, for new installs. A channel into which the end of the siding fits, just like a J-channel, with the back part of the J screwed to the wall, just like a J-channel. Only it's part of the window frame.

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It appears to be the shape of an F, correct?   With the siding going into the channel part of the F.   That would work great, and it does with replacement windows going in, but I'm still stumped on getting the old ones out.   To compound matters, it's all one piece, and the window is flush with the outside edge.

Again, I'll try for some pictures.

Thanks!

Dale


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Here's what ours looks like.  There is a piece of vinyl trim that goes between the window frame and the edge of the siding.




 



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i am just wondering if you can get the old window out without touching that trim that goes under the siding>

That seems to be the way they install hew ones these days........

Will wait for some pics

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The trim that goes under, and over, the siding sure looks like it's all one piece with the frame.   That's whats really stumping me.

It's a 1992 double wide, and we all know how weird they build them thar trailers........

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thirdroc17 wrote:

The trim that goes under, and over, the siding sure looks like it's all one piece with the frame.   That's whats really stumping me.

It's a 1992 double wide, and we all know how weird they build them thar trailers........




That should be right up Chet's alley.....I think he works in an RV manufacturing type place....may be similar......



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I think I know what he is talking about,, but will wait for some pictures or what chester has to saybiggrin

 But I think you will have to cut the siding back some to get the old windows out,,[ This is the perfect tool for that,] I bought one to do my windows a couple years ago;; worked like a dream
http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/itemdisplay/displayItem.do?itemid=67256
 I think you will have to cut the siding back to get the screws out to remove the window,, then after getting the new window installed,, use some trim material that will slide in between the mounting flange and the shorter tab, and nail the trim on

done deal..............

-- Edited by Bad Rat on Monday 1st of March 2010 02:03:07 AM

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i think a pic of one of the windows up close would be alot of help in seein how you need to go about it.your rite about them manufactured homes. they are built different than a stick framed house. but im doin one now when its warm enough for me to go outside, hahaha. i feel like we can help you out with em.

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Got the pictures, hope they show what you need to see.

First, looking in where I broke the small piece. Just a channel, the bottom one having screws into the wall directly behind the siding.




Next up, straight at the house, same place.



Lastly, the opposite side of the window. Went that way because of lighting. The two channels are for the upper and lower window. Flush with the outside of the house. No frame within the wall cavity proper. Storm window on the inside, same basic setup. Or it's the storm on the outside, with the window on the inside. Didn't take any pictures of the interior window, the flange that's screwed to the wall is right out in the open.



-- Edited by thirdroc17 on Monday 1st of March 2010 07:50:00 PM

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Thats a little bit different than I was thinking,, getting to the screws under that vinyl siding is a problem,, as you have already found out,,
I think Geeze is your best bet on this deal,, he knows all the tricks ,,  

 might have to come up with some way to cut the vinyl back,,get the old windows out,, install the new ones,,, then put a trim piece around the window [or door] to cover the screws or nails ,, holding the new windows in


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rite you are bad rat. thats gona be a pain in the keester...your gona have to cut everything back far enough to get that old window out then put the new window in.then install all that trim back around the new ones.there just aint no
"old indian trick" for this one.i have cut that vinyl back and put a 1x4 around the window to cover the screws and siding.once you get one done the rest will go faster.anytime you have to remove that vinyl its a pita.all the trim goes on first, then the siding.its completely backwards from normal construction.make sure that you calk behind the new window flange to help keep the air out. i wish i could tell you an easy,quick fix but there just aint one.good luck with it.it will be worth the effort.





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rite you are bad rat. thats gona be a pain in the keester...your gona have to cut everything back far enough to get that old window out then put the new window in.then install all that trim back around the new ones.there just aint no
"old indian trick" for this one.i have cut that vinyl back and put a 1x4 around the window to cover the screws and siding.once you get one done the rest will go faster.anytime you have to remove that vinyl its a pita.all the trim goes on first, then the siding.its completely backwards from normal construction.make sure that you calk behind the new window flange to help keep the air out. i wish i could tell you an easy,quick fix but there just aint one.good luck with it.it will be worth the effort.

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Maybe to add another suggestion to Geezers ,, when you cut the siding back, and BEFORE installing the wood trim, you will need some vinyl "U" shaped edge trim to cover the gaps ,in the ends of the siding, that can Butt up against the wood trim and make it easier to caulk,, unless you use trim that is at least the same thickness as the vinyl

That tool I posted a link to, from Harbour freight would be a excellent tool to cut the vinyl with,, it occolates back and forth,, insted of spinning,, and will do a much nicer job ,, a skill saw will chip the hell out of that siding,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all kinds of attachments for them too,, to use on other projects,,



http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/itemdisplay/displayItem.do?itemid=67256
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 before cutting the siding back,, Make SURE how much backing you have behind the ends that you intend to cut off,, You would have a real mess if you cut the vinyl off too much, then had no backing to renail it too, even a Narrow piece of trim would work fine ,, just make sure there is backing there,,biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin









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That tool looks like a keeper, Mego, I may just have to see about adding that little ditty to my collection !

Dale, I haven't really had anything to add to the others comments until now and this is just some thoughts that I had today while "tinker'n" with the '55 biggrin

It is pretty apparent that you are going to need to cut the siding back "just enuff" to get the old window out and I think I would do just that - - -

cut the siding back ONLY enuff to remove the window

then figure out what is needed to put the new window back in its place

THEN after you get the new window installed - - - figure out what kind of trim you are going to use and cut the siding back enuff to accomidate  (sp) the new trim.

this will require two trimming of the siding but I don't know how to prevent that

if you decide to use 1x4's then you could get some vinyl "L" bead and staple that to the outside edge of the trim piece so that it covers the cut edge of the siding

I AM NOT GOOD at explaining myself in type but I hope you can understand what I'm thinking here !

Good Luck and remember "FINISHED PICTURES ARE REQUIRED" or else we turn you into the "Red Green Assault Team" winkbiggrin

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Thanks guys! I appreciate all the advice. I know how hard it can be to put one's ideas into words, been there, confused plenty of people in my time. All of you did just fine.

You will have to remember, it'll be summer before I get to most of the windows, so finished pictures might be a while in coming. There is only one window that needs to be done "right now", that is unless the lady in charge decides to put the bed in another room. It's a three bed room house, and we want to make the smallest bedroom the master bedroom. Why? Her idea, she needs a craft room and I need a den/Wheel Horse room, both of which require more space than a bed. Why waste all the space in a large bedroom when all you really need is enough room for the bed?

I do think this one is a keeper!

Dale, in mid-Michigan

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hey dale, dont be a stranger. stop in and have a visit when you have time. we have a dang good time here. its a purdy small group of regular folks but its a hoot ! you know, you mite be able to git just that trim piece off and just take the first niil out of that sidin and get to that window.then you could tuck that j mould around that window and be done. see if you can get that trim piece off on that window that you have to now.hahaha, it mite be just as easy to take the sidin off on a short wall. its lust on wirh roofin nails and the heads are left stickin uo so the vinyl can expand and retract. it gos on about as quick as you can move too.

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Quick update.

Bought the above mentioned cutting tool from Harbor Freight. Works slick! Going to need ear plugs for when I get serious though.

One window is below a covered deck, so I cut the siding back 1/2", revealing the nailing strip. Removed the screws, pulled the window. Ordered exact replacements, new construction type with the nailing flange.

Found a local source for vinyl 1 x 4 board. It's really expensive, but I think I can rip it and double it's length.

My plan is glue and staple a J-channel to the edge of the board, tuck the J-channel in behind the siding and attach the board over the flange with nails and caulking.

I did see online where someone actually makes the J-channel/trim board as one piece. I really don't want to know the price of THAT, besides, it's not available locally. It did give me idea of making up that piece from the two standard pieces though.

Windows will hopefully be in in another week, and I can work on them the following weekend.

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Sounds like you've got her going your way, Dale, now just remember that during your fabrication and after you finish, we need pics so we can steal your ideas OK???

just kidding, glad you are about to "Git'er Done"- - - those modification dealies can be a real pain.

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Well years later...... I'm playing with my old netbook, and low and behold!! A forum I done lost.

While I don't have pictures, I did the windows exactly as I described earlier. Cut the siding back, removed old window, nailed in new window, inserted J-channel over end of siding, ripped vinyl board to fill gap. Caulked behind, around, between, and in front of the vinyl board. Everything is white. If you walk around the house, you can probably guess which window was first and which was last by looking at how it worked it. None of them leak, that's what counts.

Now the funny story. While the windows were installed and water tight in 2010, it was 2012 before I finally finished the inside trim on all the windows. Things happened. Dad moved in. Medical problems put me on disability, which of course greatly limited what I can do at home as well.

Over the course of winter, we noticed the walls were really cold. So as we refinished walls, we added styrofoam to the walls. With the inside window trim not done, it worked out well in that when we did finally do it, the added wall thickness was no big deal.

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cool, glad it worked out for you. sorry to hear about your bad luck. i sure hope everything works out for you.it sux when you cant go like a young sprout anymore. nice to see you found the place agin. dont be a stranger. hahaha....this is where the ol broke down poots hang out !not the rat though. hes our mentor. proly out live us all. hahaha !

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Thats cool Dale....Dont be a stranger

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Welcome back, Dale, good luck with your health situations. As Mego, said they can be worrysome to say the least.

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