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Brick separated from window


I've noticed that house has shifting over the years. I walked around the outside of the house and noticed a rather large gap between the edge of the brick and the window. Looks like the person that lived here before me caulked it up but it has separated from that even. The gap seems too large for more caulk. What should I do?
Maybe purchase some mortar mix? It just seems like that mortar has nothing to set on in that gap.


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Hi ya Mjamesb80,,, first of all welcome to the handyman show,, kinda dead right now' but a couple of fellers come on when they run out of other places to hang out,,

about that big ole crack,,[had a g/f like that once]
 think you could post up a couple of pictures so we can determine a bit more about what ya got goin on?

right off I'm thinking some epoxy type mortor repair,, tha is pretty thick and has silica sand in it, and can be applied with a caulking gun or maybe a bakers bag,,

post up a couple of shots, and somebody will come up with a sulution for sure,,

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Sounds to me like you have some more underlying problems than that crack......If the whole foundation is shifting, you may have major problems. I would measure it, seal it up and measure it again every once in a while to determine if its still moving.

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poncho62 wrote:

Sounds to me like you have some more underlying problems than that crack......If the whole foundation is shifting, you may have major problems. I would measure it, seal it up and measure it again every once in a while to determine if its still moving.

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In addition to that you also might check and see if you are getting any cracks on the walls inside.  Are the windows separating from the interior walls with the same crack or is it just the brick veneer?

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Thanks for helping so fast guys. This is comforting. I'll take some pictures later today.

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welcome miamesb80.them dang brick woes can be a pita!

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Take a look at these pictures and let me know what you think I should do

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Hard to tell, but something is going on there.....I wonder if the bricks are moving away from the wall......Maybe they werent tied in properly.....

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Is this the "only" place that you have that problem??

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There are some cracks but nothing as bad as this one. I've noticed some cracks on the interior walls that I could probably fix. And some of the interior doors are not completely level or "even" when they shut.

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Just to fix this cosmetically, what if I put some of that "Great Stuff" (the foam that expands) just to fill it in and then I could cut any excess off and then use mortar or caulking over that. What do you think?

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I have never done anything like that but I am thinking that Rat's suggestion of a mortar type filler might be your best bet.  Maybe someone else will have some ideas.

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  That looks like it is more than just the bricks separating, looks like maybe the brick wasn't tied into the wall when they layed the brick ,,[like Poncho mentioned] there  should be metal straps, attached to the plywood behind the brick, and tied into the mortor joint between the layers of brick. from the back,, if those straps are not there,, the brick is falling forward away from the wall,, [common practice for a shabby  corners cutting contractor]

OR!!  the foundation is settling in that area,,
You said that there was problems with the interior doors being out of level , and not closing properly..
to me that sounds like foundation settlement,,[not good  at all]

Have you noticed any water  under the house?
How old is the house?

 my first suggestion would be to take all that brick off all the way down to the surface it is sitting on [ like the concrete slab ] and find out if the support straps are there or whats going on,,

 just filling the cracks up with caulk or cement ain't gonna be the right way to fix this,, it needs to be taken apart and done right or it will continue to come apart..
Keep us in the loop , so we can figure out what happened
any more places where this is happening?
 fter lookin at your pictures again,, now I think maybe the brick isn't tied in from behind.... cause the brick above the window is being held back by the sophet board above the window,, and is causing the leg along the window to lean away from the wall,, but that theory doesn't address the interior doors being out of level,,

 I'm sticking to my first theory,, the footing under the walls is sinking



-- Edited by Bad Rat on Thursday 28th of October 2010 09:26:55 PM

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thats got to come off and be lad back after the problem is fixed.got any pics of the foundation?thats purdy bad. not an easy fix.looks like it could fall off.i bet you could pull that brick off real easy.

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Maybe a quick way to find out would be to dig all that old caulk out of that crack, and try lookin behind the brick to see if there is any straps,, or take a long thin screwdriver and slid down behind them to see if you feel any thing like a strap,, should be some about every foot or so all the way down.. Bet there ain't any



-- Edited by Bad Rat on Thursday 28th of October 2010 09:46:41 PM

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geezer69 - the driveway has some cracks in it. I could take a picture of that tomorrow to give you an idea.

Bad Rat - I'll try to take a closer look at what is behind the crack

Guys, this is some territory I've never delt with as far as bricks go. I had really never heard of these metal straps or that bricks are tied in. I'm not so sure I should try to take this on by myself. Would you recommend someone with more experience take down the bricks and go from there to fix the issue?

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look for cracks it the foundation around the house.looks like theres a problem there. that brick wouldnt come loose like that unless theres a corner dropped or somethin like that.cracks in the driveway wont dso that to the house.its not an easy fix but i bet you can do it with a little help. them brick layers are pricey, and should be. thats a hgard way to make a livin.how many places are comin off or did you show us all of them.the brick ties are a must.im like the rest of the guys. looks like they were left out.at least in those places.id like to see that slab all the way around that house.i feel like its your foundation but i cant see it.

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Geeze is right.. I would reccomend finding some one experenced, to at least come out and look at it . and give you a idea on the cost to repair it,, but if you hire someone to do the repair,, shop around for a price,, call several places or ask around , like your friends or neighbors ,, that might know someone to look at it,,that would know what you need to do,,  if not.. call a co, that does brick work, to see what they think, I would definately get some referances before I hired anyone,, [check the BBB]

could you post up some pict. of the interior doors that are out of whack,, that would give us a better idea of whats going on with the foundation.and any crcks that are in the foundation ,
does this house have a basement?

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good sound advice from all the above - - - - before you make a firm diagnosis get an experienced qualified professional to take a look at it winner.gif

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Ok guys, just to give you an update, I had a handyman come out today and take a look at the exterior brick. He said it looks like just that corner of the house has dipped down a bit and needed to be "Jacked up." He mentioned that he thinks this would fix the problem according to the way the brick was separating.

This handyman wants me to call one of the big boy companies (like Olshan etc.) that do foundation repair to come out and give me an estimate and have them explain exactly what they would be doing if I were to hire them.

Then call the handyman back and see if it was the same or similar to what he originally suggested with that one corner.

This handyman advised that the job would be about a day's work and he would:
Dig a hole at that corner of the house,
put the pipe in and rent a 12 ton jack,
and then he lost me....but anyway,
he said he would charge about $360 with labor and materials

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By getting Olshan out that will give you a second opinion and a good price comparison.  It sounds like the Handyman just may know his stuff but only time will tell.



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that jackin one back up can cost thousands.that handy man is workin too cheap. hahaha. if he can fix it for 360 hes a magician.not sayin he cant do it but its more than i could do for that price.usually when one is jacked up theres a pier poured to hold the foundation up .the last one i knew about cost about 4k. that was for 1 corner.let us know how it goes.

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Just what I was gonna say Geeze,, they also have a system now where they dig a channel big enough for their lines to fit in and inject a Epoxy Grout mixture under lots of pressure to raise the house back up and let the grout cure,, then come back and remove part of the line that is on the outside of the grout, then cover the footing around the foundation,,
Problem is this can only be done on a SLAB situation,, not a standing foundation with a crawl space under the house. [mostly for commercial structures

We had to have this done when I was in business,, our shop was in a old building that was once a Glass manf. company, [made glass]  and we had cut a hole in the concrete wall big enough to be able to drive trucks into the warehouse.. and after a few years that slab began to sag,, so we hired a co that did this process,, it really worked great to the tune of about 11K bucks,, but that was about the only way it could be fixed,, that was the cheapest solution,, for us

If?? and I say IF that corner is sagging,, I really think the only way to fix it is to do like Geeze said and dig under the foundation, Jack it back up ,, pour some concrete under it enough to hold it up so you can remove the jack and stuff, then quickly pour more concrete under it and let it run outside the foundation some,, but not above ground level,, so you can back fill it with dirt, and still be able to put flowers or  landscaping on top of the concrete

My next wonder would be WHAT caused that corner to sag,, is water getting down the foundation and causing this? or was it poorly back filled..
I would do a real good inspection of that whole foundation, Cracks mean trouble  big trouble,,  Check and see if a rain gutter is leaking anywhere around the foundation,, or how the ground around the foundation is sloped.. needs to be slopped AWAY from the house..

This don't sound like a easy fix.. and 360$ makes me believe he don't know what he's doing  or he's awfull hungry,, of course without seeing the situation,, it might be ok,,
one other Question  does this house have a crawl space under it and is post and beam construction?  if so it could be a easier fix
Good luck with what ever you decide to do,, where do you live? does it rain or snow alot there?  check out this link,, might be a simular situation here,,

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Foundation-Stabilization-Repair-3587/Foundation-sagging-floors.htm

-- Edited by Bad Rat on Monday 1st of November 2010 01:27:38 PM

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