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Last week the little 5000Btu a/c that I use in my reading/TV room went to its well deserved heaven and is not missed. It was a really crappy Frigidaire that literally rattled the front of the house with only so-so cool air. I replaced it with a bigger LG that hangs icicles in comparison.

UNFORTUNTELY - the big but ancient Sears/Kenmore in the bedroom also went to a/c heaven last night. The fan still works - but the compressor will not turn on. I think we got our money's worth from it in 10-12 years of hard use - but WHY NOW!!!!

Apologies folks - just feelin' sorry for my wallet right now and tears don't seem to help.

(Oh - and the basement dehumidifier - acting up also)



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as you get more experienced in life (note that I didn't say OLDER) the realization of the reality of the saying "when it rains it pours" wasn't just made for Morton's Salt - - - - I wish I knew why the 'pliances all of a sudden decide to get together and go out at the most inconvenient times - - - why don't AC units go out in the winter when you don't need them? hmmmm, that was a pretty dumb question wasn't it? just trying to lighten up the day, Dave - - - good luck with this crap - - - it can wear on a feller for sure



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ive got 2 dehumidifiers you could have . i aint used em at all in years. they work dang good too.we only have 3 little window units in the part we live in.yep, when one quits the others feel obligated to follow sute. ive replaced all 3 of in the last 2 summers.we work the heck out of these window units.far as i know the one in t j and mes room never gets turned off. hahaha...if i ever get far enough along im gona get a 5ton unit for the house. with the double outside walls im thinkin i can cool the whole house with that one unit.yet to be prover in this texas heat.

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what do you need with AC units, Mego?

don't you wear your long johns, sock hat

and coveralls when it gets below 70 degrees?



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i could do without a/c but the rest of the family would shoot me. hahaha.... t j does try to keep it at about 76-78 for me. i do wear sweat sutes in the house.i wore a sweat sute yesteedee unloadin that sidin. hahaha...just didnt take the time to change.. i do get some looks from folks all dressed up in warm clothes at 100 + hahaha

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Well about $265 bucks broker - the new 8000 Btu LG a/c is in the window, chugging out cold air, the dead clunk is in my truck, waiting a ride to the transfer station first thing in the morning. Really didn't need it today, but tomorrow and Sat. s'posed to be in the mid 90's.



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Well it got up to a blistering 73* today, its 11 pm now and 62 * tomorrow its suspose to get to 78* but maybe a little warmer, maybe 80's

we have one of those portable AC , but rarely use it unless it gets up around 100* those window fans suck in enough cool air at night to keep the house pretty cool all day long, its way over insulated,

We bought all new appliances a few years back,, and have been installing them as needed, only thing left is a Microwave center, and that requires a couple of cabinets, which we also have stashed away, thanks to IKEA flat boxes,, out of sight OUT OF MINDbiggrin ( my mind anyway)

but I have been hearing mumblings about getting them, put together and done with,, WHY I ASK,, the old microwave still works ??? ain't working too good lately tho,,,



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Dave W wrote:

Last week the little 5000Btu a/c that I use in my reading/TV room went to its well deserved heaven and is not missed. 

 the big but ancient Sears/Kenmore in the bedroom also went to a/c heaven last night. 

(Oh - and the basement dehumidifier - acting up also)


 Could be a coincidence, could be you have power quality problems.



-- Edited by WT on Friday 6th of July 2012 12:19:58 PM

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Last week the little 5000Btu a/c that I use in my reading/TV room went to its well deserved heaven and is not missed. 

 the big but ancient Sears/Kenmore in the bedroom also went to a/c heaven last night. 

(Oh - and the basement dehumidifier - acting up also)


 Could be a coincidence, could be you have power quality problems.

 

Not impossible with our 'favorite' British owned power company, National Grid - but the computer and the boob tubes will show that problem first( NG can be bought cheap if you have a few spare bucks. Pounds sterilng?).

The big a/c was never a jewel, and the little 5000 unit has always been a loud, clattery POS - but it does still kinda work and sits in a closet, JIC. The dehum. - old age



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Air conditioners and dehumidifiers contain a fair amount of copper and aluminum. I'm hoping you are getting some $$$ for scrapping them. Won't amount to a lot compared to the cost of new stuff, but every $ helps.

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Air conditioners and dehumidifiers contain a fair amount of copper and aluminum. I'm hoping you are getting some $$$ for scrapping them. Won't amount to a lot compared to the cost of new stuff, but every $ helps.


 What little is in one or two of them wont pay for my gas to take them to the scrap dealer plus they want the R12(or whatever Freon is in them) 'gone' before they'll buy those carcasses in NY State. For sure no copper in either except a tiny bit in the motor and a few 14ga wires.



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What little is in one or two of them wont pay for my gas to take them to the scrap dealer plus they want the R12(or whatever Freon is in them) 'gone' before they'll buy those carcasses in NY State. For sure no copper in either except a tiny bit in the motor and a few 14ga wires.

 Fuel cost was my first thought on this also - - - Sometimes it would be nice to have a recycling place next door to you- - - - OOPS, what am I thinking - - - NOT! nodisbeliefnodisbeliefnodisbeliefnodisbelief



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Thought I lost another electronic miracle last night - 'puter monitor (really just a cheap K-Mart 21" LCD TV that has PC capability) started blinking white lines and rectangles. Even rebooted, let it cool down and tried again, still messed up. Thankfully, it's OK (so far) today. What I need now is something like a 55" or so $ONY, $amsung or To$hiba to replace it with, but the DW said "Naw, not gonna happen".



-- Edited by Dave W on Wednesday 11th of July 2012 01:07:26 PM



-- Edited by Dave W on Wednesday 11th of July 2012 01:07:48 PM

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i dont know about around your place dave but at our house i get the final two words on things. YES DEAR.....

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My DW says she can hear the refrigerator beep (being about 50% deef, I can'tdisbelief) I did a web search on our 17 year old Kitchenaid reefer ailments. OH @#$% - tho it may not be an immediate death, it is coming. Now doing a search on the best replacement - doh



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Here at the new place our frig is brand new - - - - the owner hadn't even made the first payment on it when we bought the place, HOWEVER, the microwave/over stove vent is getting weaker by the day and the inspector told us that it was on it's last leg but we weren't really too worried about having to replace it- - - - - shouldn't be too expensive to replace tho.  Nothing like a frig for sure - - - OUCH DAVE !



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Since we're on the subject, page 458 of this book
"The New York Times Practical Guide to Practically Everything: The Essential Companion for Everyday Life"
gives you repair/replace guidelines under
"When to Fix It, When to Junk It"

Costco had this book for a while so I took a peek and then got it out of the library.

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"When to Fix It, When to Junk It"


It seems like, the older I get, the easier that age old question is to answer biggrin

Of course when the replacement $$$$ are higher the answer is much harder to come up with biggrin



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As far as replace vs repair - not going to spend the bucks on a 17 year old reefer. Someone will deliver a new one, load the old one on their truck and away it goes. To my DW, it will be a blessing in disguise as it has a top freezer which makes the bottom a PITA to find anything if it gets shoved towards the back. Amazing what I've found growing tentacles in the back of that unit even after it had become penicillin



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Dave W wrote:

 Amazing what I've found growing tentacles in the back of that unit even after it had become penicillin


 biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin that's a CLASSIC, Dave, I might just have to put that one in my "stolen quote file" along with Rumbler's "hammer brand".



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 Amazing what I've found growing tentacles in the back of that unit even after it had become penicillin


 biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin that's a CLASSIC, Dave, I might just have to put that one in my "stolen quote file" along with Rumbler's "hammer brand".


 

Use it to your 'heart's content'. I've been accusing my DW of making illegal homemade antibiotics for years with that fridge!!evileye



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Speaking of fridges, I took one completely apart a while ago and found that the insulation inside the doors was soaking wet.
So it probably didn't insulate well so this thing must have been sucking electricity at a much higher rate than fridges that work properly.
Maybe I should get one of these kilowattcher meters for a few bucks and put it on fridges that I know work properly so I have a benchmark for when it's finally time to ditch the fridge. This might only work for the basement fridge that we hardly ever open, though.  confuse



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speaking of getting rid of old refers, washing machines, driers,etc  they will pick em  up pay you 35$ , cut the cord off and away they go,, some they repair to give to needy people the others they take apart and dispose of whats left,



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So they probably make at least 3 x $35 on each item.

Years ago there was a guy on "60 minutes" who went around NYC all night long picking up bottles and cans and sold them in bulk and made $60K/year.
All he needed was a place to store them until they were sold.



-- Edited by WT on Monday 13th of August 2012 06:01:11 PM



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"one man's junk is another man's treasure" - -- - holds true don't it?



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Well when you think about it, all refrigerators, washing machines, just about all appliances, work on the same principle, regardless of the brand name,

use the good parts from the unrepairable, to fix the ones that are in better shape, plenty of parts, plenty of repairable machines, some just needing a small part, they have outlets that sell the referbished ones,, for much cheaper than running out and buying a new one,, but most people don't care to reapir older stuff, gotta have the nice shiney new ones,,

a refer of ours that went kapoot a few years back, resulted in spending 11K$ for alll new appliences. finally got the last of them installed last week.(  Microwave)it took about 4 or 5 years for all the old ones to give up, ( some of the ones we replaced , still worked, so we donated them to the kids) at the time we decided to buy all new stuff, we were remodeling nearly everything, so she wanted everything to match,,, confuseconfusedisbelief.gif I just do as i'm told,,



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my Dad would have been an awesome appliance and small engine repairman and should have had his own business, HOWEVER, he had grown up during the depression and was convinced that a solid job with a big company with retirement, thrift and insurance was the ONLY way to go - - - - and therefore Texas missed out on a damn good "Handyman" because of it.



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Even though I've been truckless for over 5 years now, I still pick up dead appliances I see out at the curb if it will it in my Neon. My scrap metal guy is paying close to a dollar a pound for insulated coppper wire, and around $3.50 for bare copper wire. I take the stuff home, disassemble it and scavenge all the copper, aluminum, and steel and toss the rest. I got almost $20 for 3 buckets of steel scrap and one bag of crushed alum. cans last week, and since it was on my way to the hardware store, I'm saying the fuel cost was zero. I won't get rich off of this, but every dollar is welcome at my house.

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 but every dollar is welcome at my house.


 you are becoming one of the "MAJORITY", Joe - - - - besides that "recycling ROCKS"



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i had some wire here . it was too small for the service to the shack so i cut it up and stripped it. it all fit in a small plastic bucket that i had here.i got 151 bucks outa that stuff. i see why the crack heads are steelin the stuff. heck, theres good money in copper these days. all of it i guess brings a decent buck.

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When I was hanging rock in Colorado we would pick up Romex cut offs before the scrappers got there and take it home and strip it while we were watching TV at night, especially in the Winter when it was sub-zero temps and being outside was for the daylight hours.  Made some decent bucks but had to wait until someone went to Denver to cash it in so you had to take what ever the going price was at that time.



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i dont member zackly what i got for it but it was well over 3 bucks a lb. thats why its gettin stolen.i was in denver when a 100 year record snow fall was recorded. i'll never go back there in the dang winter. that was a heap of snow boaz.

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Our mobile home was at 10,000' elev but the summer's were real nice - - - - all 14 days of it biggrin



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hahahaha, i seen it snow in july up in them dang mountains. i aint jokin. did you see any of them bold little birds up there. the local folks called em camp robbers i think it was. them little rascals would raid a spread real quick. like team work.hahaha.

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yuppers, I'm familiar with them critters - - - you better not leave a sammich unattended or you'll have to make another one

when I moved my family there it was Memorial day weekend and that morning it started snowing and the boys and I were excited but my X just cried



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i woulda cried with er mego. me and the cold aint never gona get along.them dang birds love chetos too. hahaha.they'll come rite on in on em too.dangest thing i seen there. dont turn you head or its gone. hahaha

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I just drug this one out of the archives for a fresh, full on major whine and complain.

JUST THIS WEEK - my wife's steam iron went to heaven($40), the toaster quit toasting ($40) and the vacuum cleaner stopped sucking dirt($170). To top it off, the big nuker is spluttering again and actually stopped once yesterday, going totally dark and the range oven heat control is .... out of control. Then the washer quit allowing hot water into the tub so everything now needs to be washed in cold water(I might just switch the hoses). Then to make my life more interesting, pulled a muscle (again) in my back, but two ibuprofen every four hours temporarily cures that.



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Talk about going BACK in time,, but we needed something else to Bitch ( WHINE)about,, biggrin and just in time too,,, lately I have been noticing rusty stains in the toilets and sinks  ,, I do believe that the well used Water heater is starting to rust, we put this W/H in right after we bought the house, that was in 81,,so probably in 82 or 83,, and it still has the price tag of 188$ on  it.. so I do believe its time to go shopping for a new one,,,,

before a big rusty puddle of water shows up on her off white carpet,,,



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Talk about going BACK in time,, but we needed something else to Bitch ( WHINE)about,, biggrin and just in time too,,, lately I have been noticing rusty stains in the toilets and sinks  ,, I do believe that the well used Water heater is starting to rust, we put this W/H in right after we bought the house, that was in 81,,so probably in 82 or 83,, and it still has the price tag of 188$ on  it.. so I do believe its time to go shopping for a new one,,,,

before a big rusty puddle of water shows up on her off white carpet,,,


 You might just get away with a new $40 anode rod - that is if you can get what's left of the old one out

Not an easy job breaking that glued in place oldie out. This was how I had some fun. I also used a 4' cheater on that breaker bardisbelief



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Red would have been proud of Ya, Dave !

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Talk about going BACK in time,, but we needed something else to Bitch ( WHINE)about,, biggrin and just in time too,,, lately I have been noticing rusty stains in the toilets and sinks  ,, I do believe that the well used Water heater is starting to rust, we put this W/H in right after we bought the house, that was in 81,,so probably in 82 or 83,, and it still has the price tag of 188$ on  it.. so I do believe its time to go shopping for a new one,,,,

before a big rusty puddle of water shows up on her off white carpet,,,


 You might just get away with a new $40 anode rod - that is if you can get what's left of the old one out

Not an easy job breaking that glued in place oldie out. This was how I had some fun. I also used a 4' cheater on that breaker bardisbelief


Is that what causes the rust in the water? I thought there were tubes inside that the water ran through,, and heated up.. ( never had a w/heater a part , so I don't know how they work didn't ever care either)

 

 might be worth a try tho,,, sure cheaper than a new heater,,



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Talk about going BACK in time,, but we needed something else to Bitch ( WHINE)about,, biggrin and just in time too,,, lately I have been noticing rusty stains in the toilets and sinks  ,, I do believe that the well used Water heater is starting to rust, we put this W/H in right after we bought the house, that was in 81,,so probably in 82 or 83,, and it still has the price tag of 188$ on  it.. so I do believe its time to go shopping for a new one,,,,

before a big rusty puddle of water shows up on her off white carpet,,,


 You might just get away with a new $40 anode rod - that is if you can get what's left of the old one out

 

Not an easy job breaking that glued in place oldie out. This was how I had some fun. I also used a 4' cheater on that breaker bardisbelief

 


Is that what causes the rust in the water? I thought there were tubes inside that the water ran through,, and heated up.. ( never had a w/heater a part , so I don't know how they work didn't ever care either)

 

 might be worth a try tho,,, sure cheaper than a new heater,,


 If it's electric there are usually two elements in a 40-50 gallon tank. If it's gas, just a burner inside a fire box attached to the tank. Some of the fancy new instant heat ones may have tubes, i.e. like a power plant condenser. Some have steel tanks lined with fiberglass, others, simple steel tanks, maybe galvanized, maybe not. Thirty years is a long time for a HW heater tank to last though I would drain it, then pull the anode (or what's left of it) and give it a try. If it's a goner, pull the new rod out and save it for 3-4 years out for the new one update. That HW heater I show is about 10-12 years old but all mew controls under a recall about 3 years ago and the new anode last year and hopefully will outlast us owning the house.

Meller - who do you think RG got all his good "stuff" from?



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Its gas fired,, and I don't think its actually over 30 yrs old,, that's when we bought the house, but put the Heater in when we did the remodel,, still its at least 25y/o  I'm gonna flush it out real good,, the water isn't real dark looking yet but enough to stain the sinks and toilets,,, if that don't cure the problem then a new one might get-er-don

the house was built in 1955, and probably has galvanized pipes,, not sure about that either,, been under the house but never paid much attention,, I know the hot water heating system has copper pipes,,,

I just looked at the date on the heater and it states 1988 so its at least 24 years old

 



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For what it's worth, my ex and my current beau didn't and don't use any hot water to wash clothes in. I haven't hooked up the hot water hose in years. Saved a lot of money on hot water not using any for that purpose for 30 years now.

We took out the hot water heater that was in the house when we bought it, put in a whole house tankless model. Other than having to move it to a new location, which added to the length of the hot water line, thus the time it takes to get hot water, we love it. So far, so good. Whether it'll last 20 years, ask me in 18 years. Even with the long hot water pipes, it's saving us a small fortune on hot water. Non of which is used for washing clothes!!! LOL

With everything dying at once, makes me wonder about the electricity coming in.......

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I think I lost another 'appliance' a few minutes ago. I tried to start my little 3 cylinder diesel tractor which has always been a bear to fire up when it gets cold. It was cranking over fine (had the block warmer on it for a couple hours before I tried) and you could hear it against the high compression of a diesel. A clunk - and no longer could you hear that unique compression whine noise and it spun much easier. Too f@#$%^$' cold to diagnose it (10*F) but methinks it may be in for a one way trip to the scrap yard in a month or so. Yeah, I'll take a good look at it, but parts are almost impossible to find for that obsolete ISEKI engine.

@#$%^ and ^%$#@,  dammit!!!!



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Wish mine had a block heater. It will start when it's zero, just like the dealer said, but I think it's life will be shortened greatly. Others have said the same of theirs and their dealers. Conspiracy?

I plan on installing a block heater this summer.

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Wish mine had a block heater. It will start when it's zero, just like the dealer said, but I think it's life will be shortened greatly. Others have said the same of theirs and their dealers. Conspiracy?

I plan on installing a block heater this summer.


 This is the one I have, #16 - it really works well. I'll try to remove it if the tractor ends up scrap and install on the little gas blower. My truck has an 800 watt version, so sure don't need it there though - but it might work under one of the two batteries though.

https://www.wolverineheater.com/Engine-Oil-Heaters-for-Cars-s/1814.htm

 

 

 






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Of course it's needless to say that we had motor heaters at 10,000' in Colorado and ?IF? you didn't use them when you were supposed to YOU COULD NOT START your vehicle. My best four legged friend "Snowtoes" used to sleep on top of the hood at night where it was warm and in the morning all you could see was a big mound of snow on the hood until you called him. Upon calling him, the snow would start moving and quivering and a big black furry Malmute/Samoad with four white feet would emerge and come into the house for breakfast.

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Dave W wrote:

I think I lost another 'appliance' a few minutes ago. I tried to start my little 3 cylinder diesel tractor which has always been a bear to fire up when it gets cold. It was cranking over fine (had the block warmer on it for a couple hours before I tried) and you could hear it against the high compression of a diesel. A clunk - and no longer could you hear that unique compression whine noise and it spun much easier. Too f@#$%^$' cold to diagnose it (10*F) but methinks it may be in for a one way trip to the scrap yard in a month or so. Yeah, I'll take a good look at it, but parts are almost impossible to find for that obsolete ISEKI engine.

@#$%^ and ^%$#@,  dammit!!!!


 Dave....First....How dare you call a tractor an "Appliance"....Us tractor guys dont appreciate it.....lol

Second....Dont scrap it, there are plenty of us tractor guys, Dale included who would love to have an old 3 cyl diesel tractor whether it needs work or not......If you want to get rid of it, we will hook you up with a tractor guy in your area, will get you a few bucks for it



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Dave W wrote:

I think I lost another 'appliance' a few minutes ago. I tried to start my little 3 cylinder diesel tractor which has always been a bear to fire up when it gets cold. It was cranking over fine (had the block warmer on it for a couple hours before I tried) and you could hear it against the high compression of a diesel. A clunk - and no longer could you hear that unique compression whine noise and it spun much easier. Too f@#$%^$' cold to diagnose it (10*F) but methinks it may be in for a one way trip to the scrap yard in a month or so. Yeah, I'll take a good look at it, but parts are almost impossible to find for that obsolete ISEKI engine.

@#$%^ and ^%$#@,  dammit!!!!


 Dave....First....How dare you call a tractor an "Appliance"....Us tractor guys dont appreciate it.....lol

Second....Dont scrap it, there are plenty of us tractor guys, Dale included who would love to have an old 3 cyl diesel tractor whether it needs work or not......If you want to get rid of it, we will hook you up with a tractor guy in your area, will get you a few bucks for it


 Harry - I haven't given up on it ---- yet. It's just too dang cold to spend any time outside trying to diagnose what happened. But with that said, if I do give up, I'll give you a shout if nothing reasonable makes it work. The wheels and tires are worth something along with the beat up Woods mower deck and the ratty snow thrower.

As far as being an appliance - yeah, I know, but it wasn't worth starting a new thread rant



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