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My house windows look like they have fallen in because they are separated from the original silicon seal by almost an inch all around.  It looks now like my back brick wall is moving and not the windows.  If I push on the exterior brick wall, it shakes.  Some of the windows even are bowed and tough to open.  No doors stick, nor are there any large cracks on the foundation or in basement.  No leaks either.  Does this sound like a brick problem or a foundation issue?



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Sounds serious thats for sure,,, where are you located? had any water problems lately,, like lots of rain?

it could be the bricks are separating from the interior wall,

How old is the house?  if its a recent build,, maybe the brick layers didn;t use any wall ties,, ( strips of metal that are nailed to the wall and impeded into the brick layers)  to prevent the bricks from pulling away from the structure wall,

sometimes there is no structure wall other than the brick wall, in that case ,the windows would be mounted in the brick, and would be moving WITH the brick  not pulling away,

My guess is that there are no wall ties, if there is they aren't imbeded in the layers of brick,, that could be  a huge problem

 can you post some pictures,, ? then maybe we could figure things out a little easier,

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I agree with Rat - - - sounds pretty serious to me - - - I think this is one of those times when you need to call a Professional and get their opinion.

One quick question, if you don't mind. Are there any signs inside the home with drywall cracking, doors sticking and not wanting to close or buckling in the flooring?

Good Luck with this and Please keep us in the loop once you find out what'sup- OK

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I will post pics in a bit. No doors stick, only a couple of windows. Those windows also look a bit bowed. It has been really dry and we have not had any water leaking in basement. The house was built in 2005 so it is pretty new. I think we are going to call a foundation expert just to rule that out. What will happen if the brick isn't tied in properly? Can that be fixed?

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I'm thinking you have a what is called Vineer wall, ( brick on the outside of a structure wall) that is coming loose, either from not being tied into the structure wall properly , or very POOR workmanship by the brick layers, ( the vineer wasn't tied into the structure wall properly,

2005 was a boom year for housing, a "Get-ER- Done and sold year, so contractors cut ALOT of corners,, and those corners are now showing up, Hopefully you have a warranty from the builder or seller, that you can go back on him for repair expenses,cry

look over this site and see if this is what you are experiencing   http://inspectapedia.com/structure/Brick_Veneer_Wall_Loose.htm  scroll down to view what you are experencing   ( I think)



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did some work on one a few years back. it aint a cheap or easy but it can be done.

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AspenPuPu wrote:

If I push on the exterior brick wall, it shakes. 


 If the authorities find out about this, your house may be condemned.

 

Thanks for the link, Bad Rat.  

Our '64 house uses this method and I doubt there's insulation in the walls so we use about twice the BTU per square foot per heating degree day than the US average of 6.  There's bricks, then a kind of thin cinder block, then thin studs in some places, then drywall. 



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If I push on the exterior brick wall, it shakes. 


 If the authorities find out about this, your house may be condemned.

 

Thanks for the link, Bad Rat.  

Our '64 house uses this method and I doubt there's insulation in the walls so we use about twice the BTU per square foot per heating degree day than the US average of 6.  There's bricks, then a kind of thin cinder block, then thin studs in some places, then drywall. 



-- Edited by WT on Wednesday 1st of August 2012 09:13:50 AM


 You say THIN CINDER BLOCKS ? how thin?  if the cinderblocks aren't very thick, like 6 or 8 " wide and like 12" long you have a brick structure wall,, the thin studs you mention are most likely "firring strips" ( 1x2 " most likely) to have something to attach the drywall too

by brick structure means that the roof is supported by the bricks, a " Brick Vineer" is a layer of "cosmetic" bricks that should be tied into the WOOD structure wall with metal ties to the structral wall,, what ever wall is supporting the roof is the structure wall, anything else that is NOT a supporting wall is a Vineer wall ,, mostly for visual appeal,,  if that vineer wall is not attached to the struceral wall, with these ties. it will move away from the structral wall and eventuall fall away or collapse,,



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Come to think of it, the only place furring strips are used is where the interior walls are paneled. 

Well, looking out of my second floor window, the outer surface of the brick to the inner surface of the drywall is about 10" and I know there are studs in this wall below the window.

So, I've got 1/2" for the drywall, 3-1/2" or 3-5/8" for the studs and ~3" for the bricks which leaves me 3" for dead air space or thin, flat cinderblocks. Now I'm getting curious.

My basement walls do have full size blocks.

I'm going to have to poke around in my attic (gable ends are wood) or my basement.  I will soon be replacing the wall vent fan over the cooktop so I will get a chance to see that wall cross-section.

I guess I'm assuming all my window sills have the same depth, inside edge to outside edge.

 

However, the wall with the fireplace has bricks on the inside too, so I guess this wall is load bearing on the bricks.



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We had the house inspected by an engineer today. The brick is tyed in correctly but the foundation wall has moved slightly. They said it is safe but to monitor for the future. Thanks for all of the input. We were really nervous about the cost of repairs.


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Good news indeed, just do your homework so to speak and, it sounds like, you'll be OK !

Happy for Y'all,

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AspenPuPu wrote:

. . .the foundation wall has moved slightly. 


 Caused by unstable foundation soil?



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. . .the foundation wall has moved slightly. 


 Caused by unstable foundation soil?


 That would be my guess also - - - - sometimes foundation contractors fail to properly pack fill dirt and sometimes they even use the wrong kind of fill dirt - - - - there is a sand that is non-compactable and it's only good for kiddies and kitties biggrin

Most any house can be leveled again if necessary - - - - the home we are in right now was leveled a couple of years ago and then new flooring put in but I still see signs of the leveling every day - - - such as doors that stick and drywall (especially above the windows and door facings) that have cracks that weren't patched properly - - - - but this is the last home I'll ever live in so as long as it is standing then I DON'T CARE what it looks like.   Been there done that but no more !



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AspenPuPu wrote:

. . .the foundation wall has moved slightly. 


 Caused by unstable foundation soil?


 

Most any house can be leveled again if necessary - - - - the home we are in right now was leveled a couple of years ago and then new flooring put in but I still see signs of the leveling every day - - - such as doors that stick and drywall (especially above the windows and door facings) that have cracks that weren't patched properly - - - - but this is the last home I'll ever live in so as long as it is standing then I DON'T CARE what it looks like.   Been there done that but no more !


 Thats kinda My take on things, as long as the roof don't leak , blow off, or the whole thing burns to the ground, the next move I make , I won't have to worry bout packing , loading, unloading,  thats is all gonna be handled by who ever has the task of throwing me in that box, nailin the lid shut , and shoveling in the dirt,



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Re: homes, half the people move in 7 years, almost all within 14 yrs. We've been here since '92 so I guess we are not average. But this house is a bit big for the two of us.

Re: leveling, I thought mud jacking cured all ills.

And I will opt to be cremated. . .

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The last two times we've moved have been mistakes so we're gonna just live with this last one.

I too will be cremated but no hooplah funeral for me and it's in my will !



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I will most likely be creamented also,, either at the hands of the all mighty. or the fires of hell,,

funerals are becoming a thing of the past, its more of a celerbration of the persons life, where all his friends meet to tell all his secrets,biggrin



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I hope my sons and stepsons just throw a party and celebrate surviving this old man and his days here.



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you two old poots aint goin no where. im not gona let you. hahaha.when you die you turn into your favorite hot rod.... i thought everbody knew that...hahaha... im gona die and turn in to a 40 ford coupe.yep, a black shinny one with all the chrome.

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you two old poots aint goin no where. im not gona let you. hahaha.when you die you turn into your favorite hot rod.... i thought everbody knew that...hahaha... im gona die and turn in to a 40 ford coupe.yep, a black shinny one with all the chrome.


 If that's true, then I'll be a '34 full fendered Ford Coupe with old school flames?



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I'll probably end up as a spare tire for a bicycle. . .:(

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awww come on wt you like a hot rod of some kind.. but thats kinda my luck too. hahaha

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I'll probably end up as a spare tire for a bicycle. . .:(


 better than the seat biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin



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hahahaha..good un em...hahaha.

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oh yeah mego. i like the full fenders too. its a big part to leave out. hahaha. i wonder where all them fenders and runnin boards are. hahaha. same place all them gasser rods front bumpers went. theres a big ole pile somewhere.

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don't get me wrong, Mego, I love those fenderless dueces too - - - - damn trouble is that I lov'em all

if I were to get into another Rod (God forbid) it would be a early 30s coupe with a bbc



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hahahaha..good un em...hahaha.


 Yeah, I didn't see that one coming. biggrin

 

The worst thing to come back as is probably a dung beetle doh



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The worst thing to come back as is probably a dung beetle doh

 or a Corncob



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The worst thing to come back as is probably a dung beetle doh

 or a Corncob


 both have a rough job,,,

 



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The worst thing to come back as is probably a dung beetle doh

 or a Corncob


 both have a rough job,,,

 


 And I've heard that the pay is lousy!  

You guys are quick. . .biggrin



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 And I've heard that the pay is lousy!
Pay is that "Green Stuff" 

          You guys are quick. . .biggrin

          In some things yes but others - NOPE no


 



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          In some things yes but others - NOPE no

 


 If you are quicker than half the opponents that life throws at you, then you are average.  I think.



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