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Installed a new BR door and frame


What a project!!

This door is one that the last owners kids for all intents, mutilated. The hall side wasn't too bad, but the BR side had kick marks and cracks, holes where a hanger of some sort had been used plus a mile of scotch tape stuck on there. Then there was the fact that the house had settled and it hung crooked (I have already jacked and lolly columned that part back). I've fixed the rest of the doors in that hallway (yeah, those kids were brats) but had been avoiding this one for 20 years until Saturday when I decided it was TIME plus my DW wants to strip the wall paper and paint (that means another honey do for ME) over the winter. The 2x4 framing 'hole' was an inch too wide but a half inch too low. Huh!! Yeah this is a tract house, but.... That meant the framing needed to be shimmed - 1/2" plywood works well and the door casing trimmed. Not too bad except the door being lower then needed that same 1/2" taken off plus another 1/2" to clear the carpet. Oh crap, no more bottom frame to the door itself plus it wasn't even wood but some sort of MDF. Got that fixed with a new filler piece of real wood. Dang - the door latch has a rectangular hole instead of a what was there, a round plug and the door strike molding doesn't match the other five doors and the casing molding split .......

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YEP !!  When it rains it Pours,, they don't make doors like they use too,, just crappy pressed sawdust, called MDF,, "Multiple Density Fiber."   We  had to order all our doors for commercial jobs from a door company, already prehung,  but mostly they were all metal frames Jambs and doors,, from Amweld also prehung,

the doors that the big box stores sell are mostly JUNK like most everything these days, probably made in some foreign land somewhere,,,,,

 



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About the time I got that far, Dave, I would have just torn the whole mess out, floor to top plate and one stud beyond the sides, re-framed it and started from scratch.,,Old houses can be a pain.

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Old houses - - NOT for Old Handymen

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Rrumbler wrote:

About the time I got that far, Dave, I would have just torn the whole mess out, floor to top plate and one stud beyond the sides, re-framed it and started from scratch.,,Old houses can be a pain.


 I don't usually disagree with that idea and have been known to do those kinds of repairs but it is in a corner which then backs to a closet in the hallway and on the other side backs to a wall to another bedroom. Believe me, that was a consideration but the way I ended up doing it was 4-5 hours vs 4-5 days and none of the dreaded dry wall dust that my wife dislikes.

BR - this door is really no worse then the originals in the house and the luan is actually smoother for paint - which has to be done on the rest on the 2nd floor as well, covering the dinged up stain. It did come from Lowe's and after looking at the local big lumber yard's $20/each more per door, just as good. Surprisingly it also has 3 hinges instead of the usual 2 for a light hollow core 30" slab door.

As Em the Other said, "Old houses - - NOT for Old Handymen "



-- Edited by Dave W on Tuesday 2nd of December 2014 07:18:09 AM

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Nowadays, I would remove the door and put up a heavy fabric curtain hung like a shower curtain. If you don't believe me then just ask my wife.

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Nowadays, I would remove the door and put up a heavy fabric curtain hung like a shower curtain. If you don't believe me then just ask my wife.


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Nowadays, I would remove the door and put up a heavy fabric curtain hung like a shower curtain. If you don't believe me then just ask my wife.


Now that's what I call a REAL craftsman,, good thinkin,,,,, 



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No hi-jack intended, Dave, but I thought I'd mention that when we lived in Nix (Texas Hill Country) we bought an old farm house 12 miles from Lampasas. It was sound and everything worked but very "old" in decor so we went to work on changing that. There was a large cased opening about 5 feet wide that went from the living room to the middle bed room which we turned into a computer room. Everyone said to put sliding doors there but I never liked them and wasn't about to start liking them at sixty something years old. Soooo, we bought a large dark brown valour drape and I hung it on a shower rod. Then I found an old theater/store 110 volt EXIT Sign that I hung over the curtain. All we needed was a popcorn machine and we would have been authentic. hahahahaha  I put a shelf above it on the living room side.

Back to normal programming

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No hi-jack intended, Dave, but I thought I'd mention that when we lived in Nix (Texas Hill Country) we bought an old farm house 12 miles from Lampasas. It was sound and everything worked but very "old" in decor so we went to work on changing that. There was a large cased opening about 5 feet wide that went from the living room to the middle bed room which we turned into a computer room. Everyone said to put sliding doors there but I never liked them and wasn't about to start liking them at sixty something years old. Soooo, we bought a large dark brown valour drape and I hung it on a shower rod. Then I found an old theater/store 110 volt EXIT Sign that I hung over the curtain. All we needed was a popcorn machine and we would have been authentic. hahahahaha  I put a shelf above it on the living room side.

Back to normal programming

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 You hijacked this? Looks like 'normal' thread progression here to mesmile.

As far as using curtains - not my thing but if it works for you, that's fine by me. I would have probably hung a pair of 6-8 light doors, one on each side, closing in the middle as we have between the front hallway and the seldom used LR (we have a big 'family/TV room' that gets used instead)

 

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I wanted to add some trim to the upstairs doors similar to a pair of sliders in the downstairs front hallway and just came up with an aww sh#@. There are two doors side by side. The knob on the old one is ~39" from the floor. The new one ---- 36". Looks like I'll just be buying a new slab door. inlet new hinges and bore the knob hole the same as the other. There are three other doors in that hallway at 39" but at least they don't sit side by side and stick out like a sore thumb as you walk up the stairs. Big sigh



-- Edited by Dave W on Wednesday 3rd of December 2014 03:16:16 PM

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Only 3" difference? What about a couple of ornamental? handmade? back plates to make them look the same and yet cover one hole that isn't used?



-- Edited by Mello Yello on Wednesday 3rd of December 2014 05:24:56 PM

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Only 3" difference? What about a couple of ornamental? handmade? back plates to make them look the same and yet cover one hole that isn't used?



-- Edited by Mello Yello on Wednesday 3rd of December 2014 05:24:56 PM


 Not a bad idea but those doors are what you first see when you climb up the stairs. Also, with another new door, that means that there is one less that has to be sanded for paint. It would also need to be washed down with some sort of solvent as one of the previous 2 owners waxed them - and from experience can say the luan dosen't like to come clean enough to paint. By the time I'm done, who knows but the rest may get the boot toononononono though I may just do a 3rd one as it is kinda messy too. Did I say that some bratty kids lived here in the past?



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only one more suggestion, Dave "carry me back to old Virginia"

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only one more suggestion, Dave "carry me back to old Virginia"

biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin have a great day


 Only in my forgettable dreams.

Picked up 2 more slab doors from HD and will install tomorrow - my honey-do today is to put up the outside Xmas decorationsconfuse.

The doors were only $32 each with the knob and latch holes already drilled vs $28 without. My history with drilling those holes makes four bucks more each well worth the costspin.gif



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I got one of the two new doors up a couple days ago by doing it the old fashioned way - scribing the hinge outline with a dry wall knife then used a sharp ( ?? ) chisel and dead blow hammer. Let's just say that I've lost my touch and let it go at thatcensored.gif.  The Porter Cable hinge template to use with my little trim router should be here in a couple daysashamed.gif( http://www.rockler.com/porter-cable-door-hinge-template ). Of course now I have that second door on hand and 3 more that I have to pick up and install to make that 30 buck tool worthwhile. Then to make life even more interesting, the DW picked up a couple of buckets of paint (with more coming) so I can have the 'pleasure' of doing some freshening up of three of the four bedrooms and the hallway.



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Been just busy enough that I've only gotten one more door up - and that P-C hinge router template sure made things bunches easier taking only a couple minutes once set up.

I'm going to try to get the last bed room door up today along with a pair of sliders which wont need any hinge work but will need to be cut down to ~79" (WTF???) It looks like the builder's carpenters headered up all of the doorways at the same height for standard 80" doors but this one needed enough room for the slider track and wheels. This means that both of those two doors will need new bottom filler sections which isn't hard with a decent table saw, just a pain (and time). Since I've now committed to this many doors, I'll have only two left - an 18" for the linen closet which is no problem and a 26" for the bathroom which is as I've not found one locally that size yet and I may have to take a saw to a 28-30 inch door and make it fit.

Have I mentioned - I dislike older houses that at 45 years old are no longer square, plumb or level and are just downright crooked....?



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Total of 7 new doors were installed with the last ones being hinge mortised with my new Porter Cable gadget. Worked great. The 26" bathroom door was made from a 28" by running it through my table saw. Worked out perfectly. Made the new door edge from one of the removed doors by again, using my table saw to clean off the paneling. Unfortunately that little project has 'morphed' into a bunch more work - like painting 3 of the four bedrooms, removing the wall paper in the hallway and patching and painting that as well, plus installing ceiling molding in the one bed room left in this house that I hadn't done yet. When done, then the hall carpet will get replaced by someone else and I can move on to the kitchen and redo the counters with that tile we bought in Dec 2013. The wall paint on the first bedroom, finished yesterday will need to be redone. The color on the chart plus even what it looked like in the can dried way too dark plus it ended up lime green - and green rooms are not my choice, The DW is not happy nor am I at the ridiculous price for a gallon of paint these days. Then there is my wasted day.

Am I having fun yet? TG summer is coming and we can hook on the camper and head for the 6th Great Lake and maybe a sighting of Champ, the local lake monster

http://www.unmuseum.org/champ.htm

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http://www.lakechamplainregion.com/recreation/heritage/champ

 



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Why is it that your posts make me tired and needing rest? Just KIdding, I enjoy hearing about "Someone Else" working and working and working and being successful in their quest. As far as the Quest for "Champ" goes, I would just change brands of Adult Beverage first and see if Champ goes away.

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Why is it that your posts make me tired and needing rest? Just KIdding, I enjoy hearing about "Someone Else" working and working and working and being successful in their quest. As far as the Quest for "Champ" goes, I would just change brands of Adult Beverage first and see if Champ goes away.

Em


Makes you tired!!!!! I'm pooped!

This is from a few years ago - and that spot between the two fishing boats is - Champ maybe

 

 



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Kinda like our East Texas Woolly Booger, eh?

http://www.texasescapes.com/DanaGoolsby/East-Texas-Bigfoot.htm



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What a PITA this project has become!! The doors have been up a while but I have also completely redone the small bedroom that I use for reading and what little TV viewing I do. The last paint job was 3-4 years ago when we were considering moving to Virginia. Can I say a quicky slap on Wally World single layer of ten buck/a gallon stuff and not the ceiling. It's all done now, including steam cleaning the rug .The new doors also got some trim added as well and that came out nicely. I just found some bead trim, 3/4" wide at the local big lumber yard then made a couple squares to break up the slab blank look (photos eventually). My wife picked out some paint and I did four of the 8 new doors - and that color - way to bright white. Luckily it was only a first coat - but tomorrow she'll need to make a trip for another $35 bucket of paint in a better color

Instead of all home renewal, we have had more fun with this little critter my DW went to Denver to pick up last Friday. If she isn't bouncing around, she's busy tormenting Callie her big 'sister'.

I have to get the DSLR out to take some better photos. I tried yesterday and all I got was a blur from shutter lag with the point and shoot camera.



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Doesn't look like a BR Door to me, it has way too much

Awwwwwwww factor to be a door.



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Back to the BR doors - or as it has become, all of the 2nd floor doors. The only exceptions for replacement are 6 which are sliders for closets that the PO's kids somehow didn't mangle. So that ends up being all 16 doors that need to have trim and paint.

This is not a whine or rant though

The latest - I just finished the trim and painting 4 of the ten that have been replaced and my dearest darlingest, most beloved wandered to the basement a few minutes ago and said she decided that the color she picked out was too dark. !@@##$%##$%^^%$#@&&&$$ Besides that DAMMIT !!!

But since she lately isn't of sound mind as her 100 Y.O. mother is getting close to driving her to pharmaceuticals, I can sympathize as her mother was difficult before, Alzheimer's just makes it worse. We (I ?) will be moving 'mom' to assisted living from an independent living apartment in the next couple weeks, life will be even more interesting for a while. Then there is that very active puppy who is in the teething stage ...... and I have a couple wounds to show for thatevileye

 



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And I thought I had problems. My Wiffy has decided that she want peg board on the back of two closet doors in the bed room. One is a 2' hollow core and one is a bi- fold and the closet is narrow and FULL. I tried to tell her that was not the right thing to do but my comments were not received. She just let me know that she knew what she was talking about because she had done it before, altho I was the one drafted for this "fiasco". All I can do is tell her and if she doesn't listen then GRRRRRRRRRRR I will do it and she'll have to learn the $$$$$$hard way$$$$$$$$$ plus my effort and time. I can always use it in the man cave so it won't be thrown away. Of course I don't need it but that's not important.

Sorry for the rant but I couldn't pass up this perfect spot to "dump".

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And I thought I had problems. My Wiffy has decided that she want peg board on the back of two closet doors in the bed room. One is a 2' hollow core and one is a bi- fold and the closet is narrow and FULL. I tried to tell her that was not the right thing to do but my comments were not received. She just let me know that she knew what she was talking about because she had done it before, altho I was the one drafted for this "fiasco". All I can do is tell her and if she doesn't listen then GRRRRRRRRRRR I will do it and she'll have to learn the $$$$$$hard way$$$$$$$$$ plus my effort and time. I can always use it in the man cave so it won't be thrown away. Of course I don't need it but that's not important.

Sorry for the rant but I couldn't pass up this perfect spot to "dump".

meller


 How else do you think wives have 'earned' the title of SWMBO?

They may not be right, but for sure, are NEVER wrongdisbeliefdisbelief.

I my case, so far it's two different $35 gallons of paint plus a $13 quart of the between color (which is evidently what we will use). It will get finished when it's done and with our upcoming MIL adventure plus my college granddaughter coming for a long weekend break, a new snowstorm predicted for the weekend, the tractor with a rotted and useless wheel, I might just spend some time polishing the hot rodbiggrinJust because I canheadbang.gif

Typical day/week/month in the life of me

 



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?SWMBO? been hurting my brain all afternoon but nothing - - - need hints or PM please

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SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed = wives/girlfriends (or in today's libtard world, partner who has the female role in your life)



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I should have gotten that - - - - must be slipping.
Thanks and have a great weekend, Y'all,
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