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Bricks Falling Forward and Down From Lentil HELP!


Hi,

This is the first time for me posting here and I need help quickly, please! I have a whole row of bricks falling forward over a rather large picture window, posting pictures below. I would like to know if there is any feasible way for me to fix this myself as I am pretty good handy woman? Each one seems to be tightly fit together with mortar, but seem to have come loose at both ends of the row. There are no bricks above this row as you can see. Do any of you have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance, 

Linda



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Hi Linda...welcome to the group

When you say loose, are the bricks loose or is the mortar just falling out? If they are loose, it makes me wonder if water is getting behind them and freezing forcing them out or something like that? If not loose, you may get away with just repairing the mortar

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Is that the only place this is happening?  It looks like there is an awning or patio roof just above them and, if so, then moisture  could be getting behind them at the location where the roof meets the wall right above the bricks.

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That is my sofit panels that the bricks butt up to. I took the pictures from the ground, so kind of a strange angel there.

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Linda



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Yes, this is the only window that is failing. It is pretty hard for rain to reach this area, the sofits are a good 24" in length.

Thanks,

Linda



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Poncho62 There is no loose mortar in between the bricks, the whole row is "stuck" together. It appears that they have come loose just at each end. The mortar at the ends just appear to have some how come loose.

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Linda



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Welcome to handyman Golay,, It appears that the bricks are supported on the bottom by a piece of angle iron, which is the correct way,, I ( if it is angle iron and not just a flat piece of flat steel,,) and the weight of the roof is pushing down in that area,,

that looks to be a metal roof and shouldn't be that heavy,,

is it possible to push the bricks back up or are they solid? 

EDIT   do you know if the mortar between the bricks  is the full width of the bricks or just at the exposed ends? if it doesn't run the full length of the bricks  its possible  that the weight of the roof has pushed the bricks down in front,, its obvious that there isn't much mortar on the ends,, and the bricks are protruding out over the edge somewhat,, ,,  is it possible to jack the roof up a little with a pole and jack to see anything behind the header board?

 





-- Edited by Bad Rat on Wednesday 16th of September 2015 03:15:10 PM

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OK...on looking again at the pics, it seems to me like the whole row is slanting down a bit, like its falling out. I think those should be whole bricks in that row except they are laid in the other direction. I wonder if whoever did the brick work just put up 1/2 bricks there with no support on top of the angle iron?
Best bet might be to remove a couple of pieces of soffit and that trim piece and see whats behind there

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OK...on looking again at the pics, it seems to me like the whole row is slanting down a bit, like its falling out. I think those should be whole bricks in that row except they are laid in the other direction. I wonder if whoever did the brick work just put up 1/2 bricks there with no support on top of the angle iron?
Best bet might be to remove a couple of pieces of soffit and that trim piece and see whats behind there


I agree Poncho, , then she could tell what is causing the bricks to tilt downward,, like there is no mortar

all the way back under the bricks , and all the weight of the bricks is on the very out side of the angle iron ( if in fact it is angle iron and not just a piece of flat steel)

It does look like the bricks are protruding OUT OVER the A-Iron a few inches and possibly not be supported enough for the weight on the roof on the very out side of the bricks , plus the header board above the bricks is 2 pieces, not a full length board, 



-- Edited by Bad Rat on Thursday 17th of September 2015 12:42:34 PM

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Just my $0.02 but I wouldn't think they would be entire bricks but just portions to equal the ones that are laid horizontally on the wall.

That said, let's tallk about "loose" - - - Golay, can you push on them to see if they actually move any? Don't think the fix will be major if you can get the soffit off and see behind them. Again, Good Luck with this.

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Mello Yello wrote:

Just my $0.02 but I wouldn't think they would be entire bricks but just portions to equal the ones that are laid horizontally on the wall.

That said, let's tallk about "loose" - - - Golay, can you push on them to see if they actually move any? Don't think the fix will be major if you can get the soffit off and see behind them. Again, Good Luck with this.

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I would bet they are half bricks and the majority of the brick is unsupported in the back,, 

 



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I would bet they are half bricks and the majority of the brick is unsupported in the back,, 


 sure seems that way from ?here?



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Hey guys,

Got the trim off and took some pictures of what I have from doing that. They are just 1/2 bricks so how do I put these back into position?

Thanks in Advance

Linda



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Altho I've never done this my first thoughts are to clean out behind them and I mean "clean". Because you are going to have to be able to push them back once you get some wet mortar behind them. ?OR? maybe some kind of glue might work. The others here should have more input so I'll close with this. You can make a mortar dispenser out of a ziplock and then cut the corner off. This would work like an old fashion cake decorating bag. Once again Good Luck

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Kinda hard to tell just what is going on up there,, looks like they just put a bunch of pieces up there to fill in and then some half bricks with nothing much to hold them in,,   (  But I am just guessing here )  maybe clean out all the loose pieces of bricks , vacuum out all that dust and debris, and get the area as clean as possible,,  ( wash out with water if necessary to get the dirt out ) then see if some full size bricks will fit in that space length ways ,,,,  meaning turn the new bricks crossways to the bricks up there now,  (1 brick goes across 2 existing bricks) and use plenty of mortar to hold them in,,,   sounds confusing I know,,    I'll see if I can draw a print or something   don't hold youre breath tho

 



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Trouble is, new bricks likely wont match ..Might get lucky.

I think the whole works have to come out, mortar chipped off of all of them and put back in with mortar behind. Also seal it up so water cant get in behind, but I cant see how it did get behind with the eaves and all above it
Are any of your other windows doing this?

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Trouble is, new bricks likely wont match ..Might get lucky.

I think the whole works have to come out, mortar chipped off of all of them and put back in with mortar behind. Also seal it up so water cant get in behind, but I cant see how it did get behind with the eaves and all above it
Are any of your other windows doing this?


I definitely agree with that Poncho,,, take it all out down to the angle iron and start over ,,other wise it will be the same situation again,   possably the roof covering ( Patio roof ) isn't attached to the house roof correctly, can't tell much from the picture .. after looking at that again,, it looks like they just put up pieces of bricks and let them hang over the edge of the angle , with out much mortar to secure them much and they tilted outwards,,, hard to tell,,,

 



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ok, this is what it looks like with the soffit down back in behind the bricks. There is a metal channel there that helps hold the soffits in place. The 1/2 bricks I assume should be up under that to help hold these in. They are way past that channel. 

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Linda



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what Rat and Ponch have said is probably your best answer - - - take everything out, view the situation and then make a game plan to get it corrected - - - - sounds simple don't it? hahahahaha

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Hey guys,

This is how a woman does it, maybe not the "man" way but look at the pictures and weep. Not perfect but the windows open now.

1. Take the trim and soffit off.

2. Buy Dap ready mixed concrete patch ( $22.00 at local Ace Hardware).

3. Put the concrete patch into a plastic baggie and squeeze it into the void behind the bricks. Use lots of it. You are trying to seat the bricks into the concrete.

4. Use 2 x 4's as a brace to hold the bricks up until the mortar sets up. 

5. Use a dead blow hammer to gently tap the bricks up and in,  back into place.

6. Do something else while the mortar cures. 

7. Check several times to see if it is firming up, well it is and the bricks are almost not moving after 2 hours of cure time.

8. Tomorrow I will get after putting the soffit back in.

Thanks for the help

Linda



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You "GO" Lady - - - - proud of and for you. - - - - don't be a stranger, OK?

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WOW Golay,,, You are one hell of a great mason, and handy WOMAN,,, that looks fantastic,,, nice and even, consistent joints etc  no body here could have done it better,,, don't be a strange now  ok??    stick around and drop in and shoot the breeze once in a while        great to have you here ,,   Bill

                                                                                                                                                                                                   



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